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# 179416 7-Sep-2015 22:06
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1, A REALLY bright standard bulb, 18W 2000lumen with cool white light. With LED lighting characteristic, it's more like a 130W halogen bulb. I would prefer warm white though, even it would be a little dimmer.

2, A 9.5W 806 lumin standrad bulb, but with switchable warm/cool color temperature. Need no remote and special wiring. Just turn it off and on again, it switches color temperature each time. 

Those are NICE!

But I think NZ (Aussie?) are the only developed market in which philips (and Osram) has no specific warranty time now, thus only 1 year as standard required by CGA. That is very disappointing . 




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  # 1381436 7-Sep-2015 22:13
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Where can we find details?



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  # 1381441 7-Sep-2015 22:27
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jnimmo: Where can we find details?


Bunnings and Mitre10 already have them. 

 
 
 
 


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  # 1381450 7-Sep-2015 22:34
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Oh sorry your photos weren't loading for me before, are now. I was hoping they were bringing the weird flat/low cost LED bulbs here finally :)



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  # 1381452 7-Sep-2015 22:36
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jnimmo: Oh sorry your photos weren't loading for me before, are now. I was hoping they were bringing the weird flat/low cost LED bulbs here finally :)


No I just added the photos. :D

I was hoping we have IKEA LEDs, according to reviews they are cheap and good quality.

But IKEA in NZ.........that's a dream. 

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  # 1381453 7-Sep-2015 22:40
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So still only 2700k and 6500k then.

No 4000k actual white ones. FFS




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  # 1381456 7-Sep-2015 22:44
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richms: So still only 2700k and 6500k then.

No 4000k actual white ones. FFS


I use Osrams and Panasoincs through out my house, mainly 2700K and 3000Ks, their color temperature don't look very different. One day I bought a Philips 14W 3000K for trail but I returned it for being toooo bright. I do find it is considerably 'cooler' than the rest of my LED bulbs. it is brighter so that could affect my vision sense of color temperature, but the difference is very noticeable.

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  # 1381457 7-Sep-2015 22:47
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The philips that I have bought have left me rather dissappointed. The CRI on their daylight 13w ones is terrible, things have weird casts to them when photographing under them. Worse on my video camera than my still camera too.

I actually picked up a 4 foot fluro replacement from bunnings today. 4200k listed on it, 18w. Stuck it in the carport lamp where a fluro is hopeless in winter because of how dim they are when cold. Quite a nice light but some visible flicker so wont be getting any for inside at all.




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  # 1381460 7-Sep-2015 22:54
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richms: The philips that I have bought have left me rather dissappointed. The CRI on their daylight 13w ones is terrible, things have weird casts to them when photographing under them. Worse on my video camera than my still camera too.

I actually picked up a 4 foot fluro replacement from bunnings today. 4200k listed on it, 18w. Stuck it in the carport lamp where a fluro is hopeless in winter because of how dim they are when cold. Quite a nice light but some visible flicker so wont be getting any for inside at all.


I found in NZ market Osram/Philips/Panasonic just generally put their CRI as ">80", that's good enough for the eye, and as also reviewed by some websites. But if you have some critical photography usage, there is truly few choice here in NZ. :-(

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  # 1381462 7-Sep-2015 22:58
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I dont think that the ones I got would be 80. They seem worse than some cheap aliexpress ones. Its mainly the oranges/yellows become really dull under them. Perhaps the warm white ones have more in that part but the 6500k ones certainly dont.

Also seems they have had the wattage change on the packaging many times. seen 12.5 and 14w on what looks the same looking lamp as well.




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  # 1381463 7-Sep-2015 23:05
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richms: I dont think that the ones I got would be 80. They seem worse than some cheap aliexpress ones. Its mainly the oranges/yellows become really dull under them. Perhaps the warm white ones have more in that part but the 6500k ones certainly dont.

Also seems they have had the wattage change on the packaging many times. seen 12.5 and 14w on what looks the same looking lamp as well.


All philips LED bulb line should be at least CRI80, at least as stated. If you can feel it with eyes, it must be quite very bad. Maybe yours is defective? As for the power, they generally reduce the power consumption for the same lumen output with each year's "new" model line. That should be two slightly different models. I could be wrong though.

Here is a nice review source for aussie market. http://www.ledbenchmark.com

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  # 1381466 7-Sep-2015 23:15
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Hmm, they list 110v ES lamps and 230v BC lamps on the home page of it which is a bit of a worry.




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# 1381478 7-Sep-2015 23:37
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richms: Hmm, they list 110v ES lamps and 230v BC lamps on the home page of it which is a bit of a worry.


LOL

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Huchiz:
richms: Hmm, they list 110v ES lamps and 230v BC lamps on the home page of it which is a bit of a worry.


LOL


Yeah, found you can filter it once in the listings.

Not sure how they got the flicker figures on the limitless. That thing has wicked flicker when dimmed since it seems to just be raw PWM into the LEDs instead of a constant current power supply. Seems that testing flicker when dimmed is something that many reviewers neglect.




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  # 1381488 7-Sep-2015 23:55
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richms:
Huchiz:
richms: Hmm, they list 110v ES lamps and 230v BC lamps on the home page of it which is a bit of a worry.


LOL


Yeah, found you can filter it once in the listings.

Not sure how they got the flicker figures on the limitless. That thing has wicked flicker when dimmed since it seems to just be raw PWM into the LEDs instead of a constant current power supply. Seems that testing flicker when dimmed is something that many reviewers neglect.


As LED bulbs become main market items and cheaper and cheaper (though still expensive), I think manufactures now very much focus on cutting cost, that would certainly be on the power supply and heatsink. 

I think I saw another new Philips model in the shops which is marked as specifically designed for dimming, a little more expensive than normal model with same output. 

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Remembering how many people ran 13" CRT monitors at 60hz, I'm pretty confident that the great majority of punters wouldn't notice or care about an LED flickering unless it induced seizures in someone nearby.

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