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  Reply # 1464651 6-Jan-2016 21:00
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Masport aluminum body with a 4 stroke Briggs and Stratton engine. The kiwi go-to combination. Go to a real mower shop and forget the hardware variety stores.




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  Reply # 1464661 6-Jan-2016 21:10
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scuwp: Masport aluminum body with a 4 stroke Briggs and Stratton engine. The kiwi go-to combination. Go to a real mower shop and forget the hardware variety stores.


Doesn't 4 Stroke mean manually mixing petrol and oil together?

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1464662 6-Jan-2016 21:12
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scuwp: Masport aluminum body with a 4 stroke Briggs and Stratton engine. The kiwi go-to combination. Go to a real mower shop and forget the hardware variety stores.


Doesn't 4 Stroke mean manually mixing petrol and oil together?


No, the oil is in the crank case on a 4 stroke, means you have to change it yourself, whereas 2 stroke it goes in with the fuel so there is never any dirty oil to dispose of.




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  Reply # 1464663 6-Jan-2016 21:12
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tdgeek:
joker97: Anything with briggs and stratton motor. Cheapest is cobra from mitre 10. Or something comparable from Bunnings etc. Paid $299. Wife tried to kill it by attacking the trampoline which snapped ... Still works though something is vibrating a lot. No rust.


I got one of those. Rubbish catching, I have twine to hold it up. Often I mow anti clockwise without catcher to mow over the cuttings, poor mans mulch.

Mine doesnt rev very high. Maybe Im used to the old mowers that revved at F1 levels if required. Slight exaggeration. However, it seems to have good torque. It doesnt bog on load.Unbolt blade, shave with a hand grinder, 10 minute job. Knife through butter. 


Yes! I recall our old mower from when I was a kid that sounded like a jet engine if you pushed the throttle thing forward enough. We had lawn so long sometimes, we found pigmys living in it having mistaken it for Amazonian Jungle. It went right through that lawn and the pigmys and almost never stalled.

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  Reply # 1464665 6-Jan-2016 21:14
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scuwp: Masport aluminum body with a 4 stroke Briggs and Stratton engine. The kiwi go-to combination. Go to a real mower shop and forget the hardware variety stores.


Umm... He hates this engine and he wants it cheap.
Weedhacker is what he needs.

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  Reply # 1464667 6-Jan-2016 21:15
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tdgeek:
joker97: Anything with briggs and stratton motor. Cheapest is cobra from mitre 10. Or something comparable from Bunnings etc. Paid $299. Wife tried to kill it by attacking the trampoline which snapped ... Still works though something is vibrating a lot. No rust.


I got one of those. Rubbish catching, I have twine to hold it up. Often I mow anti clockwise without catcher to mow over the cuttings, poor mans mulch.

Mine doesnt rev very high. Maybe Im used to the old mowers that revved at F1 levels if required. Slight exaggeration. However, it seems to have good torque. It doesnt bog on load.Unbolt blade, shave with a hand grinder, 10 minute job. Knife through butter. 


Yes! I recall our old mower from when I was a kid that sounded like a jet engine if you pushed the throttle thing forward enough. We had lawn so long sometimes, we found pigmys living in it having mistaken it for Amazonian Jungle. It went right through that lawn and the pigmys and almost never stalled.


The grass has evolved and the climate has changed.



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  Reply # 1464672 6-Jan-2016 21:18
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networkn:
tdgeek:
joker97: Anything with briggs and stratton motor. Cheapest is cobra from mitre 10. Or something comparable from Bunnings etc. Paid $299. Wife tried to kill it by attacking the trampoline which snapped ... Still works though something is vibrating a lot. No rust.


I got one of those. Rubbish catching, I have twine to hold it up. Often I mow anti clockwise without catcher to mow over the cuttings, poor mans mulch.

Mine doesnt rev very high. Maybe Im used to the old mowers that revved at F1 levels if required. Slight exaggeration. However, it seems to have good torque. It doesnt bog on load.Unbolt blade, shave with a hand grinder, 10 minute job. Knife through butter. 


Yes! I recall our old mower from when I was a kid that sounded like a jet engine if you pushed the throttle thing forward enough. We had lawn so long sometimes, we found pigmys living in it having mistaken it for Amazonian Jungle. It went right through that lawn and the pigmys and almost never stalled.


The grass has evolved and the climate has changed.


You're kidding right? I lived on a FARM. The grass required an AXE to cut some weeks. I now live in suburbia.




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  Reply # 1464673 6-Jan-2016 21:19
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scuwp: Masport aluminum body with a 4 stroke Briggs and Stratton engine. The kiwi go-to combination. Go to a real mower shop and forget the hardware variety stores.


Umm... He hates this engine and he wants it cheap.
Weedhacker is what he needs.


Who are you talking about? I don't have a 4 stroke engine and not ONCE have I mentioned Price. 


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  Reply # 1464707 6-Jan-2016 22:04
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networkn: Can't see what model that is?


Masport Utility 480, with 190cc side valve motor, they are $640 new, but often can be found less than that new (I paid $600). The range has been updated to the new OHV models now, but this one is still available on the Masport website. I highly recommend it, and I've had commercial mowers, 2 strokes, all sorts.

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  Reply # 1464709 6-Jan-2016 22:09
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networkn: My EXISTING mower I hate has a 158CC BS motor, it's the most gutless engine I've seen on a mower. 

I don't really get how a 190cc motor wouldn't be more powerful and able to cut grass better. Am I missing something?


On Briggs and Stratton engines (modern ones), the number on the engine refers to torque rating (in ft-lbs).
So the absolute bottom of the line now is 300 series (3 ft-lb), the 158cc you refered to is probably a 500 (5 ft-lb), the Masport Utility I spoke of is 625 (6.25 ft-lb), and the commercial mower I have is an 850 (8.5 ft-lb).

The 850 is 190cc and newer OHV (Overhead Valve) technology, whereas the old school 148cc side valves were 450 series - so in this example the modern engine has almost double the torque from only another 42cc.

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  Reply # 1464730 6-Jan-2016 22:17
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Yeah go for a Masport Unity 530 powerful and lazy.

 

They rate the lawn mowers engines on Torque so the old 140cc B&S motors are as powerful as the new 125cc ones. 

I went with a Masport 400al and its okay have stalled it a few times when mulching on wet grass but it fly's through our 500m2 of grass normally. 

I hear good things about hondas mowers too but don't know enough about them to comment.

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  Reply # 1464734 6-Jan-2016 22:21
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The ryobi I linked to is 11.2nm (8.2 ft pounds)


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  Reply # 1464740 6-Jan-2016 22:26
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networkn:
scuwp: Masport aluminum body with a 4 stroke Briggs and Stratton engine. The kiwi go-to combination. Go to a real mower shop and forget the hardware variety stores.


Doesn't 4 Stroke mean manually mixing petrol and oil together?


No, the oil is in the crank case on a 4 stroke, means you have to change it yourself, whereas 2 stroke it goes in with the fuel so there is never any dirty oil to dispose of.


Here's mine http://www.masport.co.nz/outdoor-garden-products/lawnmowers/silver-series/800-al-s21-3-n1-spv-ic  paid about $900 for it.  

Just put petrol in and away you go.  I get it serviced every 2 years.  4 stoke power rules!  Cuts anything




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  Reply # 1464839 7-Jan-2016 08:26
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blakamin:
joker97:
blakamin: Do you guys get the Ryobi 190cc subaru petrol mower in NZ?? All about the torques!

http://www.bunnings.com.au/ryobi-190cc-4-stroke-lawn-mower_p3380820


Is it turbocharged and does it come with a boost gauge?


4-inch exhaust & blow-off valve too!


Why do you want a mower that will get stolen 3 times a week?

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  Reply # 1465282 7-Jan-2016 17:17
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I too have got fedup with motor stalling with long grass.
Bought the biggest B&S motor I can lay my hands on at that time, IC60
When comes to long grass the biggest motor is best.

The motor gave loyal service for better part of 25 years now, and is still going.
For more power, I have change to full synthetic oil which gave me a step up the power band.
And now am using full 118 octane Avgas on it and it is fair well humming along regardless with grass length.
Only it does gets a bit warm with that much of power, oh yes lead as well too :-)
Works real good.

If am not wrong, motor is some 200cc but I have the old version, side valve
It may be newer ones are now over head valve.

It does cost a bit, but if factor over the 20+ years, I do think is worth it.
Good luck in looking for one

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