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# 204203 21-Sep-2016 17:37
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All I want is to have a nice reliable shower. The current shower requires a plumber to visit every 6 - 12 months to fix, for the last 30 years, and I've had enough. No plumber can permanently fix it, so I guess it needs replaced.

A friend bought a new corner shower, dome, mixer, shower head and bits for $2000. He said it was $1500 to get builder to install, and $1500 to be plumbed up. So $5000 total. I would be happy to pay that for same results.

I got a builder in and he quoted $14,000 not including plumbing or flooring. The quote mentioned completely gutting the room and lining with GIB aqualine, installing wall and ceiling batts, heated towel rail, new light, vanity and mirror. Out of that, the new vanity/mirror was only additional part I wanted.

I know nothing about building regulations...
Is it compulsory for the pink batts to be installed when opening up (exterior) walls?
How about the GIB?

Anyhow that price is far out of my budget...

I'm happy with $5k as exactly as my friend had done, I'm wondering if anyone here can make alternative suggestions based on my photos for adequate shower solution - I mean I would be happy for shower to stay a shower over bath for now, perhaps with a modern mixer/shower head installed, obviously would need to be at opposite end to current due to window - is that feasible?

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  # 1638371 21-Sep-2016 20:20
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What goes wrong with it evert 6 months? Or is it something different each time? It looks like there is nothing much to go wrong.


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  # 1638412 21-Sep-2016 21:29
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Hi if your friend is local, as him where he got his bits and find out who he used. It may give you some options. I have ordered a bath from http://www.tradedepot.co.nz their pricing seems really good. Also shower / bath diverter from http://www.watercloset.co.nz. I hope this helps for working out the costings.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1638425 21-Sep-2016 22:19
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You don't want to get one of those shower-bath kits?



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  # 1638430 21-Sep-2016 22:35
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- same 2 things keeps happening, the shower part comes loose at joins to bath taps, squirts water everywhere. Plumbers try this and that like white tape stuff and fibrous stuff to fix it but it never lasts. Other issue is the hot tap washer requires frequent replacing or starts skipping on the thread then shortly after starts shooting hot water out the top of the tap onto the ceiling.

-my friend got all his stuff from bunnings, which isn't such a good option for me as there isn't one where i live and i don't have a tow bar.

-I've never renovated anything, completely unaware what's available out there, are there shower bath kits worth looking at?



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  # 1638432 21-Sep-2016 22:38
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I should add, the bath has never been used in 30 years and won't be in the future... Just saying if there is a cheap solution here I'd put up with it.

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  # 1638437 21-Sep-2016 23:22
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The builder would pick everything up for you. Have a look at the mitre10 website. Also ring around for more quotes.

I should note those shower-bath kits can be tricky to install unless everything is square. Nothing a good builder can't handle.

You may reconsider never using the bath once you've renovated and I'd also be thinking about resalability

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  # 1638479 22-Sep-2016 06:14
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Can't you just replace the taps?




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  # 1638489 22-Sep-2016 06:53
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Just for context, when we did a strip, reline, tile, and upgrade to high pressure hot water it cost more like $40K, so $14K isn't too bad. However if you find the right guy who'll do just what you want you should be able to reduce down from $14K.


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  # 1638501 22-Sep-2016 07:49
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His tap and tap-shower joint is faulty. To only fix that replace the taps! No?




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  # 1638502 22-Sep-2016 07:51
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All building work carried out must comply with the building code - so it is my understanding if you were removing wall linings you'd need to put in batts (if external wall) - but a bag of batts is less than $150.

 

Pulling out the bath and putting in a corner shower is probably quite good if you never use the bath, then you can use a shower dome etc which is great.. although guess would cost more to do as you'd have to replace the gib there too.


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  # 1638510 22-Sep-2016 08:00
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Find a plumber who will just replace the tap fittings, why on earth they haven't suggested that already (30 YEARS of thread issues!)

Make a trip to a hardware store with these photos and ask them what they have to replace it with, then get plumber and tell him you want it straight swapped "like for like" and this shouldn't trigger "modern building code" requirements as you're essentially just fixing a problem join.

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  # 1638539 22-Sep-2016 08:48
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jnimmo:

 

All building work carried out must comply with the building code

 

This is true. And to add, the wall linings must be done so they meet the required standards set out in the building code. In your case this means replacing the wall linings within a certain distance of the shower itself. The builder will have assumed that you would want to have the room look the same on all the walls so has priced to replace all the linings. If this isn't something you care about, then you could consider having the new wall linings only extend partially across the wall.

 

FWIW $14k is probably pretty average for the work you describe. You could potentially save some money by doing any painting yourself (assuming this is in the price also). And if you buy the shower and associated hardware yourself, you won't have to pay the builders margin on top of his plumbers margin. This is called having client supplied items and relatively common.


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  # 1638542 22-Sep-2016 08:49
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Check out www.millen.co.nz for a range of bathroom ware at very competitive pricing - eg I just saw a shower unit on there for $569. I have bought a few complete bathroom suites from there before (for rental properties) and they are nicer than what I have at home! They also seem to be hard wearing as I haven't had any reliability problems with tenants using them. Millens can also deliver direct to your door if they don't have a store near you.

 

It's amazing how much of the work you can do yourself if you have the time and patience. I work in an office and had no real DIY skills, but I have now done 3 bathroom renovations. One of the renos I did looked identical to yours before I started - it even had the bath under the window with the shower at that end - why did they do that???

 

The trick is to do as much general stuff as you can (demolishing/removing the old fixtures, installing insulation and GIB board, painting) but leave the technical stuff to the tradies (electrical, plumbing, and maybe flooring).

 

It can be done for under $10k of you are determined to save money by having a go at as much of the general labour as you can. Get pamplets from Bunnings or Mitre 10 which tell you how to do things and watch youTube videos on DIY too.

 

Tradies always say that they can get trade pricing on fixtures & fittings but my experience is that by the time they add their own mark-up back on, the price is almost always more than you would have paid if you had sourced it all yourself. Having said that I think the chain stores are not always that cheap unless they are having a super sale - that's why I preferred to source all my stuff from Millens as it was consistently cheaper than the likes of Bunnings and Mitre10, yet the overall quality seems exactly the same.

 

When looking for plumbers, electricians or builders, list what you want done on www.builderscrack.co.nz - it's free and you'll have tradies with the time to do your job chasing you to give you a quote, not the other way around. You can check out feedback for each tradie relating to their qualifications, skills and pricing, as well as feedback on their standard of work from real customers. I have found it to be a fantastic resource.

 

 

 

 




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  # 1638591 22-Sep-2016 09:48
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At some stage the taps were replaced, $1000 for 2 taps supplied and fitted. The issue with the join is there is no thread or anything, it relies on the nuts at the join squeezing into the taps, however i can only guess there is water hammer like shock when water hits the shower head as it shakes the whole assembly and over time this must shake it loose off the taps.

As for the washer, I again just guess that's from having sustained hot water running past tap, way too hot to touch, and deals it out to the rubber in short order.

I've never dealt with the plumbers myself but I'm told they never suggested a replacement system, and apparently most took photos on their phone and commented on the rarety of seeing such an arrangement these days.



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  # 1638623 22-Sep-2016 10:25
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I should add I'm installing infinity gas, and the existing water pressure here is low, so I'm replacing the shower because I'm worried once the water pressure increases it'll blow the whole thing apart.

Also the whole idea of corner shower with dome is that currently even with windows wide open, after a 10 minute shower, the room is drenched, there isn't enough air flow to get the stream outside and leaves the room wet like you wouldn't believe.

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