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  # 1893113 31-Oct-2017 13:07
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This wof idea is from people with good intentions but they are totally unrealistic in the standard they have set.

 

They come close to saying every rental property must meet or exceed the current building standards.  

 

If these people were involved in govt transport policy they would be saying a 20 year old car must meet the same safety standards as one that came out of the factory yesterday.


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  # 1893121 31-Oct-2017 13:28
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I didn't realise people falling from second story windows was such a major problem in New Zealand. Seriously though, I believe rentals should be warm and dry, but 'failing' WOF's on things like blown light bulbs is ridiculous and will only drive up compliance costs, thus increasing rents.

 

 

Are bulbs not the tenants problem?  They are essentially consumables, though these days the LED's etc are a lot longer life than incandescent ones.

 

 





 
 
 
 


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  # 1893125 31-Oct-2017 13:44
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MileHighKiwi:

 

I didn't realise people falling from second story windows was such a major problem in New Zealand. Seriously though, I believe rentals should be warm and dry, but 'failing' WOF's on things like blown light bulbs is ridiculous and will only drive up compliance costs, thus increasing rents.

 

 

Are bulbs not the tenants problem?  They are essentially consumables, though these days the LED's etc are a lot longer life than incandescent ones.

 

 

 

 

Most tenants I know just replace their own light bulbs, but apparently the can fall under fair wear and tear so are the landlords responsibility.


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  # 1893130 31-Oct-2017 13:48
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geoffwnz:

 

MileHighKiwi:

 

I didn't realise people falling from second story windows was such a major problem in New Zealand. Seriously though, I believe rentals should be warm and dry, but 'failing' WOF's on things like blown light bulbs is ridiculous and will only drive up compliance costs, thus increasing rents.

 

 

Are bulbs not the tenants problem?  They are essentially consumables, though these days the LED's etc are a lot longer life than incandescent ones.

 

 

 

Most tenants I know just replace their own light bulbs, but apparently the can fall under fair wear and tear so are the landlords responsibility.

 

 

FAIL YOUR WARRANT COS OF BLOWN BULB YOU NASTY GREEDY LANDLORD - prepare to be hung drawn and quartered at forcing tenant to live is such squalor!!!





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  # 1893138 31-Oct-2017 13:55
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throbb:

 

geoffwnz:

 

MileHighKiwi:

 

I didn't realise people falling from second story windows was such a major problem in New Zealand. Seriously though, I believe rentals should be warm and dry, but 'failing' WOF's on things like blown light bulbs is ridiculous and will only drive up compliance costs, thus increasing rents.

 

 

Are bulbs not the tenants problem?  They are essentially consumables, though these days the LED's etc are a lot longer life than incandescent ones.

 

 

 

Most tenants I know just replace their own light bulbs, but apparently the can fall under fair wear and tear so are the landlords responsibility.

 

 

FAIL YOUR WARRANT COS OF BLOWN BULB YOU NASTY GREEDY LANDLORD - prepare to be hung drawn and quartered at forcing tenant to live is such squalor!!!

 

 

Exactly, and if said tenant walks into a rose bush in the dark, sue them. Or get landlord to patrol his properties to make sure lights are on. Silly comments, yes, but a silly set of standards 


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  # 1893140 31-Oct-2017 13:59
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I don't have a problem with it being done to rentals, because most are run as a business, and should match our new health and safety and workplace laws,. But the rules and standards should be done by central government, as with the the NZ building code. Now that we have a new government who is more hands on with this type of thing, I can see more government departments being setup to cover things like this.

 

But really it largely comes down to who is going to be blamed if someone is injured, beucase things don't meet the current minimum building standards, even if the building was built prior to the changes. Also it creates new jobs for people to do the testing. I am not sure the problems with private houses outweighs the benefits of spending a lot of money on this. Old balconies that get overloaded and collapse perhaps...but even those laws may not prevent that sort of thing in many cases if they are simply overloaded.


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  # 1893185 31-Oct-2017 14:56
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throbb:

 

geoffwnz:

 

MileHighKiwi:

 

I didn't realise people falling from second story windows was such a major problem in New Zealand. Seriously though, I believe rentals should be warm and dry, but 'failing' WOF's on things like blown light bulbs is ridiculous and will only drive up compliance costs, thus increasing rents.

 

 

Are bulbs not the tenants problem?  They are essentially consumables, though these days the LED's etc are a lot longer life than incandescent ones.

 

 

 

 

Most tenants I know just replace their own light bulbs, but apparently the can fall under fair wear and tear so are the landlords responsibility.

 

 

I generally replace my own light bulbs, but some of our light fittings are too high to get at without a ladder and so I've had to ask the landlord to replace some.


 
 
 
 


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  # 1893268 31-Oct-2017 18:51
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  • Handrails required for interior stairs and outside steps. Could become expensive building work.

 

 

 

What constitutes sufficient steps to require a handrail?

 

I have three steps from ground level to the porch.  Actually two steps between the ground and porch itself.  Will that need a handrail?

 

 

Looked at a house yesterday where the single step was as high as my knee. As someone with a mobility issue it was difficult to navigate. Hand rail would be helpful for that single stpe on a bad day. My current house has four very shallow and long steps. no hand rail required.

 

 

 

 





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  # 1893269 31-Oct-2017 18:52
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throbb:

 

geoffwnz:

 

MileHighKiwi:

 

I didn't realise people falling from second story windows was such a major problem in New Zealand. Seriously though, I believe rentals should be warm and dry, but 'failing' WOF's on things like blown light bulbs is ridiculous and will only drive up compliance costs, thus increasing rents.

 

 

Are bulbs not the tenants problem?  They are essentially consumables, though these days the LED's etc are a lot longer life than incandescent ones.

 

 

 

 

Most tenants I know just replace their own light bulbs, but apparently the can fall under fair wear and tear so are the landlords responsibility.

 

 

I generally replace my own light bulbs, but some of our light fittings are too high to get at without a ladder and so I've had to ask the landlord to replace some.

 

 

Any light bulb over 2.4 metres high needs a sparky to replace them under h&s laws.





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  # 1893296 31-Oct-2017 20:22
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Any light bulb over 2.4 metres high needs a sparky to replace them under h&s laws.

 

 

Guess they need full scaffolding as well for such an unsafe job? 





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  # 1893297 31-Oct-2017 20:22
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Senecio:

I'm all for minimum standards on safety items on things such as fire & smoke alarms. Beyond that a tenant has to take responsibility for renting a place that is suitable for them and their family. 



I laughed when I saw that photo and the need for a stay. I was recently in Brisbane staying on the 71st floor of a serviced apartment building, basically a hotel and every room had opening windows and a opening gap that a kid could fit through easily. I was shocked and a little uncomfortable with my children being there.

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  # 1893324 31-Oct-2017 20:56
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nunz:

 

 

 

Any light bulb over 2.4 metres high needs a sparky to replace them under h&s laws.

 

 

Guess they need full scaffolding as well for such an unsafe job? 

 

 

 

 

Not necessary but they will need three people.  One to hold the ladder, one to warn anyone passing by of the dangerous situation and the third to actually change the bulb.


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  # 1893325 31-Oct-2017 20:58
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Any light bulb over 2.4 metres high needs a sparky to replace them under h&s laws.

 

 

Can you provide a link to where this is documented, my understanding is that the h&s laws are not that prescriptive.


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  # 1893337 31-Oct-2017 21:43
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davidcole:

Interesting, like a vehicle wof, they're taking the approach if there are lights there the bulbs must work, else


As a pre-rental standard I'm happy with that. It's a better idea than putting all the details in the tennancy act.

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  # 1893339 31-Oct-2017 21:51
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Not to the extent of bulbs....well ok maybe before letting. But not during tenancy.




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