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Topic # 227513 9-Jan-2018 22:03
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Been doing a bit of building over the holidays, now after a quick bit of advice.



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The doors open outwards. They don't butt up against anything when closed except the sides of the frame - nothing top or bottom.

I'm after a suggestion on how to lock the doors please - a hasp and staple is the current thought, but seems a bit rough. Has anyone got any ideas please?

Thanks in advance.

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  Reply # 1933211 9-Jan-2018 22:13
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Have a similar problem. I thought about something like a gate bar but made of timber.

 

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  Reply # 1933222 9-Jan-2018 22:35
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The hasp and staple sounds like a good idea to me. Probably with a bolt on the inside of one door up to the timber above, to make them more solid when locked.

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  Reply # 1933272 10-Jan-2018 00:54
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I spose another option is a lockable bolt upwards on each door.

 

You could pour a small block in the ground for downward bolts too.

 

If you have upward and downward bolts then the next step in complexity is a linkage to operate them both at the same time using the same lever/handle.


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  Reply # 1933275 10-Jan-2018 02:13
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I'm after a suggestion on how to lock the doors please - a hasp and staple is the current thought, but seems a bit rough. Has anyone got any ideas please?

 

 

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  Reply # 1933378 10-Jan-2018 09:35
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  Reply # 1935372 10-Jan-2018 10:19
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elpenguino:

 

I spose another option is a lockable bolt upwards on each door.

 

 

Or depending on whether you often have both leaves open, you could have an upwards bolt on the inside of the less used leaf, while the other has a simple horizontal bolt, or shackle to the other ( now more fixed) side..


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  Reply # 1935373 10-Jan-2018 10:20

Because there is no centre support, I can only think of two options;

 

Strong bar right across both doors to frame on each side.

 

Bolt up into the top frame and another down into the ground.

 

Are these the main access into the building?


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  Reply # 1935479 10-Jan-2018 12:34
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wellygary:

elpenguino:


I spose another option is a lockable bolt upwards on each door.



Or depending on whether you often have both leaves open, you could have an upwards bolt on the inside of the less used leaf, while the other has a simple horizontal bolt, or shackle to the other ( now more fixed) side..



Good point. Using such a scheme means you could use a house type catch and lock so the more opened door could be opened from inside and out.



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  Reply # 1935983 11-Jan-2018 08:54
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k1w1k1d:

Because there is no centre support, I can only think of two options;


Strong bar right across both doors to frame on each side.


Bolt up into the top frame and another down into the ground.


Are these the main access into the building?



It's a two-bay pole shed, with a quad, small tractor and a few other garden type implements in there. There are a second set of identical doors to the side of those in the pictures so either set can be used to get into the shed, but otherwise no walk door.

Thanks for all the advice - I'm thinking that one side could be secured with a bar across the centre on the inside, operable only from the inside. My wife kindly brought a heavy duty hasp and staple from mitre 10 yesterday, which has confirmed that this won't work very well - it was the largest they had but due to the gap between the doors it won't work effectively at all. I think that the house lock idea will fall down here for the same reason.

However securing one door top and bottom with a bolt going across to the other might just be the answer.


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  Reply # 1936016 11-Jan-2018 09:34
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If it is just a utility shed what is wrong with a chain and padlock?



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  Reply # 1936048 11-Jan-2018 10:05
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blackjack17: If it is just a utility shed what is wrong with a chain and padlock?


Technically nothing. In reality though, the WAF is far too low.

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  Reply # 1936072 11-Jan-2018 10:52
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Just looking at you photos again,  the doors appear to only open outward?

 

So I think you need some sort of "stopper" on the frame at the top of the doors to stop them being pushed inward (If they are pushed inward the door will hit the posts holding the hinges?  and will stress the hinges or the door)

 

A 2*4 or similar attached to the top beam would do the job

 

 




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  Reply # 1936107 11-Jan-2018 11:41
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Yes, they only open outwards. Currently the upright 4x2 at the hinge side contacts the pole when the door closes - I can see what you mean by stressing the hinges as I lean on it.

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Might need a couple of joist hangers to attach a piece of 4x2 at the top that both doors can butt up against perhaps?

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  Reply # 1936147 11-Jan-2018 12:09
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  Reply # 1936212 11-Jan-2018 13:21

Suggest a board across the top for both doors to butt up to.

 

Secure one door with a bolt at the top and bottom.You will need to make something for the bottom bolt to go into. Possibly a piece of steel channel in concrete or a pipe driven into the ground. Channel is easy to keep clean, but pipe can be a pain to keep dirt out of though. Will need to be flush with the ground to prevent it becoming a tripping hazard.

 

Put a board down the rear of the secured door, overlapping its edge, for the other one to butt up against.

 

Then bolt a strong hasp and staple to the doors. Could also put another one near the ground to make more secure?


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