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  Reply # 1962521 22-Feb-2018 21:40
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I think we might be best to change away from Bosch. We like the layout the most, it's nice looking, but with the issues we have had, I wonder if we are just setting ourselves up for more heartache.

 

Meiele are having a big promo starting March for anyone that cares.

 

 

I wonder whether Bosch simply had a dud model. My main Bosch dishwasher is approaching 10 years old. And apart from a flimsy plastic clip on one of the plate racks, have never had any problems. Although mine would probably be 2 or 3 generations old now. Then again, maybe I just happened to get 1 of the last good ones.

 

Supposedly there are Bosch dishwashers that are made in Turkey. As well as the German made ones.

 

As for dishdrawers, problems in an office situation might be misuse. When you load a dishdrawer, you need to leave a gap between the top of your dishes, and the top of the drawer. If you load tall items that means that the drawer only just squeezes closed - you will have problems. Also you can't just yank the drawer open mid cycle, you have to pause it first, then wait 10 seconds or so before opening the drawer.








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  Reply # 1962527 22-Feb-2018 21:49
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networkn:

 

I think we might be best to change away from Bosch. We like the layout the most, it's nice looking, but with the issues we have had, I wonder if we are just setting ourselves up for more heartache.

 

Meiele are having a big promo starting March for anyone that cares.

 

 

I wonder whether Bosch simply had a dud model. My main Bosch dishwasher is approaching 10 years old. And apart from a flimsy plastic clip on one of the plate racks, have never had any problems. Although mine would probably be 2 or 3 generations old now. Then again, maybe I just happened to get 1 of the last good ones.

 

Supposedly there are Bosch dishwashers that are made in Turkey. As well as the German made ones.

 

As for dishdrawers, problems in an office situation might be misuse. When you load a dishdrawer, you need to leave a gap between the top of your dishes, and the top of the drawer. If you load tall items that means that the drawer only just squeezes closed - you will have problems. Also you can't just yank the drawer open mid cycle, you have to pause it first, then wait 10 seconds or so before opening the drawer.

 

 

Well, we have had 3 Bosch, none of them cleaned that well, and at least 2 of them I know were German made. I don't think the model we are having replaced was well thought of, it's replacement seems very well thought of. The guy from Kitchen things thinks the water in Australia is softer than NZ (We seem to have pretty hard water in Mt Roskill it would seem). He thinks that's why the Bosch reviews so well in Australia. 

 

We are going to go and take a look at models in the weekend and decide after that. Very put off Bosch saying they won't provide a warranty on the warranty replacement. They have no obligation to, but still, it's really left a bad taste in my mouth.

 

 


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  Reply # 1962545 22-Feb-2018 22:14
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I doubt that it would be related to water hardness. As some parts of Australia get their water from rivers, and river water is normally quite hard.






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  Reply # 1962748 23-Feb-2018 10:26
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We ended up getting a Miele. The 2nd from cheapest one.

 

Very happy with it. Haven't had a problem with it but it must be installed correctly as per instructions. The sensors for pressure in the outlet pipe is pretty sensitive.

 

The reason we went for this one is longevity and also the silence so if running noise is important like if your in a small or open plan living/dining area, it's super beneficial.

 

Also there's this place...   http://www.steelfort.co.nz/brand/show/71


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  Reply # 1962946 23-Feb-2018 13:06
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We put this Bosch in our newly-built house, and 3 months in, it's amazing.  To be fair, I never really hear it, as we run it at 4am due to being on Day/Night power, but it's amazingly quiet, and does a great job washing and drying.

 

The cutlery drawer is great too - having never had one before I was a bit skeptical, but it does clean better, gives you more room on the bottom rack, and also makes putting cutlery away easier, as you tend to stack knives/forks/spoons together, so you can scoop out handfuls of each when putting them away.

 

I was told by Harvey Norman that Bosch's are either built in Germany or Thailand, and that accounts for the price difference in part; presumably the latter are constructed/assembled to a specific price point.





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  Reply # 1962952 23-Feb-2018 13:19
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We put this Bosch in our newly-built house, and 3 months in, it's amazing.  To be fair, I never really hear it, as we run it at 4am due to being on Day/Night power, but it's amazingly quiet, and does a great job washing and drying.

 

The cutlery drawer is great too - having never had one before I was a bit skeptical, but it does clean better, gives you more room on the bottom rack, and also makes putting cutlery away easier, as you tend to stack knives/forks/spoons together, so you can scoop out handfuls of each when putting them away.

 

I was told by Harvey Norman that Bosch's are either built in Germany or Thailand, and that accounts for the price difference in part; presumably the latter are constructed/assembled to a specific price point.

 

 

 

 

Do you rinse and or scratch your plates and other things clean prior to stacking? Do you put plastics in it? Do they come out dry? That model is a bit small for us, but keen to know about the cleaning. 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1962962 23-Feb-2018 13:32
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Do you rinse and or scratch your plates and other things clean prior to stacking? Do you put plastics in it? Do they come out dry? That model is a bit small for us, but keen to know about the cleaning. 

 

 

 

 

Not really - pretty much never with hot water, and only really dirty plates (think spaghetti bolognese or lasagne) with cold water.  We run the econo cycle, which from memory take 2:40 (again because we're only paying 11c/kw at night, running it lower and longer works for us).  Never have any issues with cleaning, and plastics dry reasonably well, but to be honest, they never dry as well as glass/crockery, and a downside of running it during the night is that it can sit for a wee while before we empty it, meaning condensation can form a little.

 

Great machine, really can't fault it - and also comes with the serving platter head, which I haven't tired - you take the upper basket out, and fix the spray head on the back wall of the unit apparently.





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  Reply # 1962963 23-Feb-2018 13:33
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Stuff dries way better with rinse-aid too...

 



Another chemical. I use white vinegar and seems to do the same thing. For the wash I use eco powder and that seems to wash just as well.

 

Are white vinegar and this so-called "eco powder" chemical free? If not chemicals, from what are they made?


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  Reply # 1963036 23-Feb-2018 15:25
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Got a Bosch, been going strong for 5 years now.  

 

Previously had a F&P double dish drawer, double trouble, stay clear of these.  Went to a single draw Haeir / F&P that last only a few years. useless.

 

The Bosch has been faultless, quiet and only issues when stacked incorrectly.


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  Reply # 1963038 23-Feb-2018 15:29
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Got a Bosch, been going strong for 5 years now.  

 

Previously had a F&P double dish drawer, double trouble, stay clear of these.  Went to a single draw Haeir / F&P that last only a few years. useless.

 

The Bosch has been faultless, quiet and only issues when stacked incorrectly.

 

 

 

 

We lived with my inlaws while building and I found their dish-drawers terrible; equally I have workmates who love them, but I found them really noisy, cramped inside and would only clean well if perfectly stacked. 





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  Reply # 1963098 23-Feb-2018 17:15
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Do you rinse and or scratch your plates and other things clean prior to stacking? Do you put plastics in it? Do they come out dry? That model is a bit small for us, but keen to know about the cleaning. 


 


 



Some recent top line models now include air drying using a drying agent to remove the moisture from the air. The Zeolite is dried during the wash cycle. TBH I think you'd have to be fussy to need this. The worst of our plastic items had water traps that could be fixed by drilling small holes.



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  Reply # 1963780 25-Feb-2018 11:35
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We are now probably going to seek a full refund and switch from Bosch to Miele. The Miele G 6827 SCI XXL (Black) is really nice, and I think getting away from a brand I've had so much trouble with, with a company who has proven difficult to deal with over and over is probably the right call. 

 

If for some reason they will refund, we will take the Bosch, but I think under law they must refund us. 

 

 


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  Reply # 1963871 25-Feb-2018 14:11
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If for some reason they will refund, we will take the Bosch, but I think under law they must refund us. 

 

 

Would they refund you the original purchase price, or a depreciated value? I'm genuinely curious because I had a debate about this with a friend of mine a while ago.




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  Reply # 1963947 25-Feb-2018 17:10
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If you do have hard water, then check the manual (with your next machine) , as my entry level Bosch had an adjustable setting for rinse aid, which you supposedly varied in relation to the hardness of the water.

 

This entry level dishwash was a Turkey built model (no longer for sale) and I could not fault it


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