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  # 2108366 15-Oct-2018 17:46
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Stu1:
elpenguino:

 

We went through this process recently and got 12 LED down lights in a living/dining area which previously had only pendants. They're wired as 3 sets of 4, one of those groups is on a dimmer. No flickering on ours.

 

 

 

FWIW initially I wanted them wired as 6 pairs but the sparky and missus went to groups of 4 - pairs would be awkward for switching because of the number of switches and faceplates required.

 

 

 

Bearing in mind that dimmers are ~$100 each the sparky's own advice was to have one group on a dimmer and live with it for a while. Recently my wife has been saying things like, THIS group would be better on the dimmer, not THAT one so I take his point.

 

 

 

That's all easily re-wired in the flush box - I can do that, but the lights will always be controlled in groups of 4 - hence my suggestion to take all your wiring to the flushbox and leave yourself the freedom to change in the future. 

 

 

 

This is the low tech cheap and easy way to do it - otherwise you are looking at IOT lights or some kind of smart lights that receive commands from a controller via the power wiring.

 

 

 

 

 



thats good advice thank you. The dining is pretty small so only having 4 which wont have dimmer, the kitchen will be Ushaped but attached only to dining room. The lounge would be 6 lights .Could do 3 sets of 3 or 2 sets of 6 and 3 .I have gone off dimmer as not that cheap and not sure i would use it much

 

 

 

You can buy dimmers a lot cheaper than $100. More half that price for PDL600 series ones at  https://www.electricaldirectltd.co.nz/search?query=+624TM  . You do however need to check the dimmer is compatible with the lights you buy, so you also need to buy decent lights. 




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  # 2108415 15-Oct-2018 19:15
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Dingbatt: If you want to think a bit laterally, how about smart lights?
In our family/theatre room I replaced a central pendant light with 6 Philips Hue downlights. They are on one switch for power isolation but I also have them controlled by a Hue switch. And then of course controlled by app, Alexa, etc as well. It means the lights over the seating positions double as reading lights and can be individually switched. Also allows for schedules.
Not exactly cheap, but multiple cabling and switches aren't cheap either particularly if you want dimming.


i did consider that but not sure how long we will stay here , i would look at the option as a new build cheers

 
 
 
 




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  # 2108419 15-Oct-2018 19:20
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mattwnz:

Stu1:
elpenguino:


We went through this process recently and got 12 LED down lights in a living/dining area which previously had only pendants. They're wired as 3 sets of 4, one of those groups is on a dimmer. No flickering on ours.


 


FWIW initially I wanted them wired as 6 pairs but the sparky and missus went to groups of 4 - pairs would be awkward for switching because of the number of switches and faceplates required.


 


Bearing in mind that dimmers are ~$100 each the sparky's own advice was to have one group on a dimmer and live with it for a while. Recently my wife has been saying things like, THIS group would be better on the dimmer, not THAT one so I take his point.


 


That's all easily re-wired in the flush box - I can do that, but the lights will always be controlled in groups of 4 - hence my suggestion to take all your wiring to the flushbox and leave yourself the freedom to change in the future. 


 


This is the low tech cheap and easy way to do it - otherwise you are looking at IOT lights or some kind of smart lights that receive commands from a controller via the power wiring.


 


 




thats good advice thank you. The dining is pretty small so only having 4 which wont have dimmer, the kitchen will be Ushaped but attached only to dining room. The lounge would be 6 lights .Could do 3 sets of 3 or 2 sets of 6 and 3 .I have gone off dimmer as not that cheap and not sure i would use it much


 


You can buy dimmers a lot cheaper than $100. More half that price for PDL600 series ones at  https://www.electricaldirectltd.co.nz/search?query=+624TM  . You do however need to check the dimmer is compatible with the lights you buy, so you also need to buy decent lights. 



Thanks Matt , i wonder how i could tell what lights are compatable with the dimmer. i was just thinking lights from lighting plus/direct but found lighting plus in the lower hutt not that helpfull . Might have to make trip to town store

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  # 2108534 15-Oct-2018 21:31
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Stu1: Hi guys, updating lighting in lounge to down lights, my lounge is 5 x 4.5 , I was thinking 6 Downlights but was also thinking about splitting them 4 on one switch and 2 on another so I dont have to have all six on at a time . Is it better to just have a dimmer on all 6 ? . I was thinking having 2 on at back of lounge so i can read and switch the other lights off. Any suggestions what’s the best option really love movies so dimming would be a must cheers

 

 

I've got exactly that setup, 6 lights, two on one switch above the couch for reading and the remaining four to light the whole room. They virtually never get used, even when we have guests over we only use the lights above the couch. It also makes movie watching easy, just have the two above the couch on and the rest of the room is in darkness.



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  # 2108588 16-Oct-2018 06:23
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neb:
Stu1: Hi guys, updating lighting in lounge to down lights, my lounge is 5 x 4.5 , I was thinking 6 Downlights but was also thinking about splitting them 4 on one switch and 2 on another so I dont have to have all six on at a time . Is it better to just have a dimmer on all 6 ? . I was thinking having 2 on at back of lounge so i can read and switch the other lights off. Any suggestions what’s the best option really love movies so dimming would be a must cheers


I've got exactly that setup, 6 lights, two on one switch above the couch for reading and the remaining four to light the whole room. They virtually never get used, even when we have guests over we only use the lights above the couch. It also makes movie watching easy, just have the two above the couch on and the rest of the room is in darkness.


I would have room complety dark for movies but the other half always wants a light on. Just have to work out lights now:)

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  # 2108609 16-Oct-2018 08:14
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Hey,

 

 

Philips HUE is one option but if you don't want it as futuristic, Philips has normal downlights that have 3 settings via 1 switch. Full, half and nightlight. Is a better option than a dimmer and in reality those are all the settings you need. The warm version has excellent light quality. We have 17 of them. You can get them at Bunnings in 8 & 12cm cutout ~$50-60 each.

 

 

Cheers Oliver



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  # 2109954 17-Oct-2018 17:18
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olivernz: Hey,

Philips HUE is one option but if you don't want it as futuristic, Philips has normal downlights that have 3 settings via 1 switch. Full, half and nightlight. Is a better option than a dimmer and in reality those are all the settings you need. The warm version has excellent light quality. We have 17 of them. You can get them at Bunnings in 8 & 12cm cutout ~$50-60 each.

Cheers Oliver


Thanks OlIver will checkout bunnings this weekend

 
 
 
 


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  # 2109958 17-Oct-2018 17:32
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olivernz: Hey, Philips HUE is one option but if you don't want it as futuristic, Philips has normal downlights that have 3 settings via 1 switch. Full, half and nightlight. Is a better option than a dimmer and in reality those are all the settings you need. The warm version has excellent light quality. We have 17 of them. You can get them at Bunnings in 8 & 12cm cutout ~$50-60 each. Cheers Oliver

 

 

 

The problem with normal philips hues, is they have to go into a normal B22 or E27 fitting, which are big which may not be IC rated. Although they do seem to do some pendants and some big button type lights.

 

 

 

With those other lights, don't you need to turn the lights  on and off 3 times to activate the different modes 


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