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Topic # 242508 1-Nov-2018 03:13
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Hello Guys. I ordered Bosch 3000 solution online which comes with 3 PIR quad detectors hardwired. I never installed an alarm system but I know how to follow manuals as I'm working in IT.

 

The problem that I found is I can't find videos or manuals showing clearly how to wire the sensors or sirens. The main manual explains in depth how to program and zone through the keypad but doesn't talk about wiring. For battery, power plug and keypad wiring is straightforward and easy enough to understand.

 

Now looking at some photos I found online I see some people use 6 wires connected to the sensors and some have 4 wires connected. Not to mention that I couldn't find anything shows how to wire the internal and external siren but I guess it's easy to wire.

 

Can you please point me out to the right direction whether you already have the same product so can attach photos or have good instructions to help me out.

 


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  Reply # 2117691 1-Nov-2018 09:39
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There's a lot of help on Google and Youtube.

 

https://www.structuredhomewiring.com/SecuritySystem/SampleDSCAlarmSystem/

 

https://www.structuredhomewiring.com/SecuritySystem/AlarmWiring/

 

In most cases I believe 4 core wiring is suffice. 6 core is used if you want to add an additional tamper circuit *i think* - such as in Countries that require it by law.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2117720 1-Nov-2018 10:10
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Essentially red and black for power, then another two cores for a normally closed 'signal' feed from the sensor. At the sensor end, one of these two will go to a common terminal, and the other to a NC (normally closed) terminal. At the controller end, one goes to common terminal, the other to the relevant zone terminal. Some units have a common terminal for each zone, other have a common terminal that serves all zones. 

 

As per above reply, if you use six cores then you can have a separate normally closed feed to indicate that the sensor casing has been opened/tampered with. For most cases four cores is fine - it doesn't matter if someone is walking in your living room setting off the PIR sensor, or up a ladder messing with your PIR - you want the alarm to go off in either case.

 

Re: the siren, the bare minimum is just a power feed - red and black. However it's a good idea to wire up a normally closed tamper circuit, as per the PIR sensors. You may use all six cores if you have a need to trigger the strobe but not the siren in certain circumstances - probably not worth worrying about for now. 


 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 2117979 1-Nov-2018 16:40
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Thanks for the info. I did watch the video I thought it's only for that product but it looks all alarm panels have the same concept. 

 

For PIRs I wouldn't worry about someone is tempering around with them as it doesn't make sense that someone will be able to reach them without triggering the alarm specially if I place them indoors only however for the siren which I'm going to mount outside the house from the front side of the house I'll need to use the 4 wires closed temper circuit you mentioned.

 

I reckon for any 4 cable wiring I need to use resistor end of the line from the PIR or siren side?

 

 


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  Reply # 2118010 1-Nov-2018 18:03
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Yes resistor at the end would be good practice

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  Reply # 2118089 1-Nov-2018 20:45
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There's a handful of ways to do it:

 

 

 

  • No resistors:

     

    • Closed circuit is safe, open circuit is alarm or tamper.
    • Simply wire both contacts in series.
    • Anyone with access to the cable can short it out and trick the system
    • You can't tell the difference between tampering and alarm
  • Single resistor (SEOL): 

     

    • The set value is safe, either open or closed circuit indicates tampering
    • Wire both contacts in series, plus a resistor.
    • You can't simply short the cable together without triggering a tamper alarm
    • You still generally can't tell the difference between tampering and an alarm, at least the way they implemented/recommend it. Using a normally open tamper contact would work, though.
  • Double resistor (DEOL):

     

    • The Bosch ones don't seem to have this, but the DSC ones do.
    • Resistor value is safe, two resistors is alarm, open or closed is tamper.
    • Connect one resistor across the alarm contact, then put that in series with another resistor and the tamper contact
    • Also can't simply short the cable without triggering tamper alarm
    • Can differentiate between a tamper and an alarm

You need to set which option you choose in the configuration.

 

 

 

The reason you want to be able to differentiate between tampering and alarm is that if you have something like a shop, someone could open up a sensor and bypass it during the day when disarmed, then come back later when the system is armed (but now faulty).

 

If you have it set to alarm on tamper and it is capable of detecting the difference, then this would cause a warning of some kind.


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  Reply # 2119364 4-Nov-2018 11:04
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sukafun:

Hello Guys. I ordered Bosch 3000 solution online which comes with 3 PIR quad detectors hardwired. I never installed an alarm system but I know how to follow manuals as I'm working in IT.


The problem that I found is I can't find videos or manuals showing clearly how to wire the sensors or sirens. The main manual explains in depth how to program and zone through the keypad but doesn't talk about wiring. For battery, power plug and keypad wiring is straightforward and easy enough to understand.


Now looking at some photos I found online I see some people use 6 wires connected to the sensors and some have 4 wires connected. Not to mention that I couldn't find anything shows how to wire the internal and external siren but I guess it's easy to wire.


Can you please point me out to the right direction whether you already have the same product so can attach photos or have good instructions to help me out.



Cheers
Suka



As a matter of interest, where did you buy it from? It should come with an installation manual.



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  Reply # 2119537 4-Nov-2018 17:06
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I bought it from these guys: https://www.ctccommunications.com.au/alarm-packages/bosch/solution-3000.html

 

It's coming with the manual but not sure if it's the same manual which is downloadable from the internet or a different version.

 

I found it also on EBAY but didn't trust the seller much.


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  Reply # 2119572 4-Nov-2018 18:15
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sukafun:

 

Hello Guys. I ordered Bosch 3000 solution online which comes with 3 PIR quad detectors hardwired. I never installed an alarm system but I know how to follow manuals as I'm working in IT.

 

The problem that I found is I can't find videos or manuals showing clearly how to wire the sensors or sirens. The main manual explains in depth how to program and zone through the keypad but doesn't talk about wiring. For battery, power plug and keypad wiring is straightforward and easy enough to understand.

 

Now looking at some photos I found online I see some people use 6 wires connected to the sensors and some have 4 wires connected. Not to mention that I couldn't find anything shows how to wire the internal and external siren but I guess it's easy to wire.

 

Can you please point me out to the right direction whether you already have the same product so can attach photos or have good instructions to help me out.

 


Cheers
Suka

 

 

Have you tried this?

 

https://resource.boschsecurity.com/documents/Solution2000_3000_In_Installation_Manual_enUS_20399486987.pdf

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 2124536 13-Nov-2018 00:05
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I've received my alarm system and it's a lot harder than what I thought :)

 

Not worried about programming or installation tho, just wiring once it's done then life is easy.

 

Can someone please help me with wiring the PIRs and the external siren. After looking at videos and reading the manual still can't get it right I guess.

 

In the photos you will see how I wired my PIR: - PIR goes to - AUX and + PIR goes to + AUX that's for power

 

White wire NC PIR goes to Z1 panel

 

EOLR from NC PIR goes to COM panel

 

 

 

In regards to the external siren it's a mastery for me so far. So there's strobe, siren, horn and tamper.

 

I understand that 2 wires for tamper go to tamper in the panel but what about the rest? What's the difference between speaker and horn or why they both need to be wired.

 

 

 

Appreciate if anyone can help.




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  Reply # 2124538 13-Nov-2018 00:16
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  Reply # 2124541 13-Nov-2018 03:24
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For the siren. I think the horn is the speaker so really need 6 wires for it. So 2 wires for tamper which goes to tamper in the switch, 2 wires for siren/horn which goes to the panel merging with the internal siren which is just - and +.

 

For the strobe I'm clueless :|


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  Reply # 2124542 13-Nov-2018 05:30
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Not sure on the difference between horn and siren. You could try putting 12V across them and seeing what happens.

 

 

 

Just wire the strobes in parallel with the horn/siren.


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  Reply # 2124546 13-Nov-2018 07:00
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Can you show another photo of the terminals on the board - not sure about how you've wired the PIR into the board. Blue/white look good, but can't see what red/black are connected to. Also useful for figuring out the siren.

 

I'd imagine siren is what you want (rather than horn) - so as above, wire siren and strobe in parallel (red from board to red of strobe and red of siren, and same for black). Tamper will be the same as you've done for the PIR. I wouldn't expect your board to be able to drive a horn speaker so probably just four wires needed


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  Reply # 2124602 13-Nov-2018 09:30
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This diagram attached should help.

 

For the PIR in your case though, from what I can tell in the image, you'd just need to put the black wire into 'GND', and red into '+12'. You should probably use the Tamper terminals in conjunction with the NC though - refer to diagram and image attached.

 

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  Reply # 2124699 13-Nov-2018 12:45
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Could you post bigger graphics please?


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