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  # 2300647 16-Aug-2019 22:31
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Yes the combination of dust and fat being vented into the ceiling cavity can turn into napalm in the event of a pot fire.

 

bfginger: Yeah the serious acoustic insulation will be out of our price range I'm sure. Possibly for our media room, I remember last year seeing a few YouTube videos a year ago about how an extra wall inside the room with double drywall and studs being further apart really helps with reducing sound transmission.

 

The idea is to use a bracket to put an empty space between the wall and the gib then have double layer gib with a sound absorbing material between the layers. That does take space away from the room, and just 13mm noise reducing gib would be enough gib for many people's AV rooms.

 

It's great to know there's condensation channels now. It being dumped onto the sills is something I really want to avoid yes. I'd read that UPVC reduced heat loss by 40% and Low-E coating with Argon gas reduced heat loss by 20-30%, but without remembering what they're comparing it to they're pretty meaningless, and it sounds like it might not be too noticeable?

 

The 40% figure is versus solid aluminium with plain glass. Low e glass is a moving target as different glasses perform differently. Make sure double glazing in thermally broken aluminium has a thermal spacer like XCel does or else there's a thermal bridge between the inside and outside.

 

 

With a good quality stainless steel benchtop you can put hotter things on it without risking damage than most other bench types.

 

 

You can have colours or art and photo prints inside of a glass splashback. I've haven't seen splashback grout dirt problems so the type of grout may be an influence.

 

 


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  # 2300864 17-Aug-2019 13:25
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bfginger: With a good quality stainless steel benchtop you can put hotter things on it without risking damage than most other bench types.

 

 

I'd be careful with that, for two reasons, both based on the fact that SS is an excellent heat transfer medium. If you put a hot container on it, the heat will be transferred to the MDF and adhesive underneath, which may not like prolonged heat exposure. In the other direction, if you put a hot container on cold SS, it'll experience thermal shock, and if it's something like US fake Pyrex there's a good chance you'll shatter it.

 

 

(Pyrex-branded glassware made in the US isn't actually Pyrex, a.k.a. borosilicate glass. Pyrex-branded glassware made in Europe is. In either case though I wouldn't put it on a cold SS bench top).

 
 
 
 




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  # 2301156 18-Aug-2019 09:52
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The 13mm gib looks like it could be a good one to use. We want to ensure the neighbours don't have to listen to our subwoofers etc so we'd put that on the external wall around that room too I imagine. I saw a tip on Gib's website too, to put driers and the like on external walls or non-critical walls, to reduce noise in the house. That's probably a wise idea.

 

Thanks, we'll make a note of that about the double glazing :)

 

Good know about the SS too!

 

Today we're going to sign the contract for the land, it's great to take a step forward :)


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  # 2301460 19-Aug-2019 08:56
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bfginger: Yeah the serious acoustic insulation will be out of our price range I'm sure. Possibly for our media room, I remember last year seeing a few YouTube videos a year ago about how an extra wall inside the room with double drywall and studs being further apart really helps with reducing sound transmission.

 

I walk home past a 2 story townhouse being constructed and have wondered what the wall bisecting the entire upper story is. I think its is this. Its some sort of waterproof (because there is not roof yet) panels with a metal seam between them. Both sides have wall framing on them. I doubt its a dividing wall between units, assuming there are any, because of its odd positioning. But between living and sleeping areas it would be correct. 

 

 




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  # 2302120 20-Aug-2019 08:48
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netspanner:

 

bfginger: Yeah the serious acoustic insulation will be out of our price range I'm sure. Possibly for our media room, I remember last year seeing a few YouTube videos a year ago about how an extra wall inside the room with double drywall and studs being further apart really helps with reducing sound transmission.

 

I walk home past a 2 story townhouse being constructed and have wondered what the wall bisecting the entire upper story is. I think its is this. Its some sort of waterproof (because there is not roof yet) panels with a metal seam between them. Both sides have wall framing on them. I doubt its a dividing wall between units, assuming there are any, because of its odd positioning. But between living and sleeping areas it would be correct. 

 

 

Nice! That sort of thing we'd certainly include if we had the money. Maybe for our second house one day :D


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  # 2315326 11-Sep-2019 23:46
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LostBoyNZ: <p>We're looking to get our first build a little out of Christchurch.&nbsp;So far we're really most impressed with the showhome and general attitude of Whitehouse Builders.

 

I'm sorry I did not see your post sooner. We did not end up building with Whitehouse builders..... Thank God for that.

 

We were going to build with them. Contracted them to to take our plans through the consents, and paid them quite a bit of money for this. but they stuffed this up so badly and luckily we saw this before we had signed on the dotted line for the entire build.

 

Our case ended up in disputes tribunal with Robert Whitehouse trying to claim  over 220% of what had been quoted and agreed.  

 

We had called the district council consenting officer as a witness in our favour at the hearing to testify in relation to how many stuffups whitehouse had made throughout the consenting process by staff that in his words "were inexperienced and out of their depth" without   adequate  supervision.   

 

In the end we had to pay ~$250 over the extra what we had already offered to pay them. But this was many thousands less then they were trying to claim. We still ended up a fair bit out of pocket due to the extra consenting costs their mistakes had caused not to mention the delays and time spent of dealing with it. But to be honest we were just glad to be rid of them

 

Your so right about reviews you can trust being hard to find. We have heard so many bad things about Whitehouse since our dealings with them. And it's like why couldn't anyone tell us this before hand.

 


Robert Whitehouse can be a very smooth talker and it doesn't supprise me he has initially come across so well to you.... This is exactly what happened to us. But from there it became a case of over promise and under deliver late.


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  # 2315350 12-Sep-2019 07:11
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I had a mate build with a franchise with shall not be named in a town which will remain unnamed.

 

he said at every stage of his build, the week of the deadline (eg floor tiling), builder (or shall we say "project manager") will send out a mass email to all tradies in town - tiling required by wednesday, $3000. first in first serve

 

tilers would arrive and finish the job as fast as they can and move on to the next

 

he would then find all sorts of issues

 

ring the franchise

 

tradie responds with "write down all the issues we will come and fix it"

 

this happened at every little phase

 

when he moved in his underfloor heating leaked from the ground - they came back and dug up his concrete foundation to fix it

 

he thought they were good because tradies came back to fix things

 

my thoughts were - what about the things you didn't find?! hidden inside walls / roof etc

 

what do you guys think!





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  # 2316801 12-Sep-2019 21:46
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Thanks very much for your replies!

 

Is it normal in the house building world for the client to have to pay for consent mistakes etc? I guess if it's not stated as a fixed price in a contract and instead the client is billed for the consent price, I can see how those charges can pile up. Waimakariri council I see charge $164 per hour for building consent processing and approval, and there's all sorts of charges for changes etc. If there's no fixed price, I can see how that could go bad with anyone very quickly.

 

Batman that sounds like a very dodgy way of conducting a build. I wonder if (for any builder, not specific to Whitehouse) we can ask for the names of their tradies they'll be using in advance of signing a build contract? Or does it not really work that way?

 

Those issues are especially scary for newbie home owners, like ourselves, who wouldn't even know something is wrong unless it has a visible crack / break or such in it.

 

 

 

 


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  # 2316859 12-Sep-2019 22:55
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In my contract council consent fees are a PC sum, and it was the same for friends of mine who recently built. Even with a fixed price contract, not everything is a fixed price.

Foundation is often a PC sum as well, and even if it’s not there will likely be clauses in the contract to let them charge more if they run into “unforeseen physical conditions”.



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  # 2316860 12-Sep-2019 23:06
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Yikes. No wonder people are scared off building a new house. Worrying indeed!

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  # 2316875 13-Sep-2019 06:38
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netspanner:

 

bfginger: Yeah the serious acoustic insulation will be out of our price range I'm sure. Possibly for our media room, I remember last year seeing a few YouTube videos a year ago about how an extra wall inside the room with double drywall and studs being further apart really helps with reducing sound transmission.

 

I walk home past a 2 story townhouse being constructed and have wondered what the wall bisecting the entire upper story is. I think its is this. Its some sort of waterproof (because there is not roof yet) panels with a metal seam between them. Both sides have wall framing on them. I doubt its a dividing wall between units, assuming there are any, because of its odd positioning. But between living and sleeping areas it would be correct. 

 

 

 

 

Korok? https://korok.com/systems/korok-intertenancy-terraced-housing/

 

 

 

Would make for one seriously soundproofed media room!


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  # 2316883 13-Sep-2019 06:50
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Batman:

I had a mate build with a franchise with shall not be named in a town which will remain unnamed.


he said at every stage of his build, the week of the deadline (eg floor tiling), builder (or shall we say "project manager") will send out a mass email to all tradies in town - tiling required by wednesday, $3000. first in first serve


tilers would arrive and finish the job as fast as they can and move on to the next


he would then find all sorts of issues


ring the franchise


tradie responds with "write down all the issues we will come and fix it"


this happened at every little phase


when he moved in his underfloor heating leaked from the ground - they came back and dug up his concrete foundation to fix it


he thought they were good because tradies came back to fix things


my thoughts were - what about the things you didn't find?! hidden inside walls / roof etc


what do you guys think!



That’s got to be the most unprofessional cowboy thing ever! Name and shame, I’d never use a builder who Is willing to contract out work to anyone on a first come first serve basis. Why would anyone use him.

Sounds like he doesn’t want to have a job and is bad at forming trustworthy relationships with contractors who he can use on a ongoing basis.

It’s that stupid it’s unbelievable.



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  # 2316923 13-Sep-2019 08:30
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Thanks nickb800, we'll check out https://korok.com/systems/korok-intertenancy-terraced-housing/ those sound impressive yes!

 

Dial111: Completely agreed on that sounding like a truly horrible way to do things. I understand though sometimes people can't name and shame due to NDA's or such (not saying that's the case with Batman's post, I honestly have no idea, but just saying that can happen sometimes).

 

 


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  # 2317024 13-Sep-2019 10:01
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Dial111:
Batman:

 

I had a mate build with a franchise with shall not be named in a town which will remain unnamed.

 

 

 

he said at every stage of his build, the week of the deadline (eg floor tiling), builder (or shall we say "project manager") will send out a mass email to all tradies in town - tiling required by wednesday, $3000. first in first serve

 

 

 

tilers would arrive and finish the job as fast as they can and move on to the next

 

 

 

he would then find all sorts of issues

 

 

 

ring the franchise

 

 

 

tradie responds with "write down all the issues we will come and fix it"

 

 

 

this happened at every little phase

 

 

 

when he moved in his underfloor heating leaked from the ground - they came back and dug up his concrete foundation to fix it

 

 

 

he thought they were good because tradies came back to fix things

 

 

 

my thoughts were - what about the things you didn't find?! hidden inside walls / roof etc

 

 

 

what do you guys think!

 



That’s got to be the most unprofessional cowboy thing ever! Name and shame, I’d never use a builder who Is willing to contract out work to anyone on a first come first serve basis. Why would anyone use him.

Sounds like he doesn’t want to have a job and is bad at forming trustworthy relationships with contractors who he can use on a ongoing basis.

It’s that stupid it’s unbelievable.

 

can't name and shame because might get in to legal trouble. don't have journalist protection and haven't fact checked.

 

but when there is a building boom this happens. chch is in a building slump. so it should be easier to get good tradies.





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  # 2317027 13-Sep-2019 10:04
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i also told the OP i rented a brand new house in CHCH.

 

both showers leaked because the plumber hadn't put sealant! found out after 3 years when the floor skirting next room was bulging

 

roof leaked because it was missing a nail - (or something to that effect, giving rise to a hole)





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