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  #2333366 9-Oct-2019 13:52
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rogercruse:

danepak: The only two offered are these two models.
Which one would you recommend?
Yale (Assa Abloy) or Schlage (Allegion)?
Builder says Yale is the most popular choice.


 


Choose the cheapest or the one with a decent 2nd hand value and be prepared to change it later.


Same price for both. Assa Abloy with 1 years warranty, where Allegion comes with 2 years.

The Assa Abloy is more water resistant than waterproof.
Allegion is water proof – but is only available in 70mm backset.

I would choose the Allegion, based on warranty, but otherwise got no idea what they mean (70mm backset)

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  #2333369 9-Oct-2019 13:57
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danepak:
rogercruse:

 

danepak: The only two offered are these two models.
Which one would you recommend?
Yale (Assa Abloy) or Schlage (Allegion)?
Builder says Yale is the most popular choice.

 

Choose the cheapest or the one with a decent 2nd hand value and be prepared to change it later.

 


Same price for both. Assa Abloy with 1 years warranty, where Allegion comes with 2 years.

The Assa Abloy is more water resistant than waterproof.
Allegion is water proof – but is only available in 70mm backset.

I would choose the Allegion, based on warranty, but otherwise got no idea what they mean (70mm backset)

 

They are both good brands. 
We have a Schlage in our house in Auckland and Yale in our house in Wellington.

The Schlage has an IP rating and is more weather resistant. The Yale does not and is not recommended for doors bring exposed to weather etc. 
They are both good brands and locks.


 
 
 
 




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  #2335394 11-Oct-2019 09:57
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So I'm being told that the Yale (Assa Abloy) door lock comes with a 12 months warranty.

 

 

 

But what's the difference between the two paragraph's beneath, where one mentions 12 months, another one 10 years. If an electrical component aren't working (12 months warranty), isn't this the same as being defective (10 years warranty)?

 

 

 

Yale Warranty

 

ASSA ABLOY New Zealand Ltd (“ASSA ABLOY”) guarantees its Yale products against defects in workmanship and materials.

 

 

If within 10 years of purchase a product is found to be defective. ASSA ABLOY will supply the same or equivalent product free of charge.

 

All electrical and electronic components used in ASSA ABLOY’s range of products excluding batteries are guaranteed for a period of 12 months from the date of proof of purchase, unless stated otherwise.

 


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  #2335397 11-Oct-2019 10:01
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danepak:

 

So I'm being told that the Yale (Assa Abloy) door lock comes with a 12 months warranty.

 

 

 

But what's the difference between the two paragraph's beneath, where one mentions 12 months, another one 10 years. If an electrical component aren't working (12 months warranty), isn't this the same as being defective (10 years warranty)?

 

 

 

Yale Warranty

 

ASSA ABLOY New Zealand Ltd (“ASSA ABLOY”) guarantees its Yale products against defects in workmanship and materials.

 

If within 10 years of purchase a product is found to be defective. ASSA ABLOY will supply the same or equivalent product free of charge.

 

All electrical and electronic components used in ASSA ABLOY’s range of products excluding batteries are guaranteed for a period of 12 months from the date of proof of purchase, unless stated otherwise.

 

 

The Yale 3109 is made up of a traditional mortice lock and electronic components which drive the lock for open and close. This is effectively saying that warrenty for the electronic components which drive the lock is 12 months and the actual lock itself is up to 10 years.
The lock can be driven manually but in reality - if the lock does die - one would probably replace it entirely. 




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  #2335399 11-Oct-2019 10:02
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Jiriteach:

danepak:


So I'm being told that the Yale (Assa Abloy) door lock comes with a 12 months warranty.


 


But what's the difference between the two paragraph's beneath, where one mentions 12 months, another one 10 years. If an electrical component aren't working (12 months warranty), isn't this the same as being defective (10 years warranty)?


 


Yale Warranty


ASSA ABLOY New Zealand Ltd (“ASSA ABLOY”) guarantees its Yale products against defects in workmanship and materials.


If within 10 years of purchase a product is found to be defective. ASSA ABLOY will supply the same or equivalent product free of charge.


All electrical and electronic components used in ASSA ABLOY’s range of products excluding batteries are guaranteed for a period of 12 months from the date of proof of purchase, unless stated otherwise.



The Yale 3109 is made up of a traditional mortice lock and electronic components which drive the lock for open and close. This is effectively saying that warrenty for the electronic components which drive the lock is 12 months and the actual lock itself is up to 10 years.
The lock can be driven manually but in reality - if the lock does die - one would probably replace it entirely. 



Thanks, so would you say that this is a 10 year warranty?

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  #2335411 11-Oct-2019 10:25
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danepak:
Jiriteach:

 

danepak:

 

 

 

So I'm being told that the Yale (Assa Abloy) door lock comes with a 12 months warranty.

 

But what's the difference between the two paragraph's beneath, where one mentions 12 months, another one 10 years. If an electrical component aren't working (12 months warranty), isn't this the same as being defective (10 years warranty)?

 

 

 

Yale Warranty

 

 

 

ASSA ABLOY New Zealand Ltd (“ASSA ABLOY”) guarantees its Yale products against defects in workmanship and materials.

 

If within 10 years of purchase a product is found to be defective. ASSA ABLOY will supply the same or equivalent product free of charge.

 

All electrical and electronic components used in ASSA ABLOY’s range of products excluding batteries are guaranteed for a period of 12 months from the date of proof of purchase, unless stated otherwise.

 

 

The Yale 3109 is made up of a traditional mortice lock and electronic components which drive the lock for open and close. This is effectively saying that warrenty for the electronic components which drive the lock is 12 months and the actual lock itself is up to 10 years.
The lock can be driven manually but in reality - if the lock does die - one would probably replace it entirely. 

 



Thanks, so would you say that this is a 10 year warranty?

 

Nope - But thats just my view.




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  #2335415 11-Oct-2019 10:34
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What points me towards the Yale is:
- It mentions both 12 months and 10 years, where the other option (Allegion) only mentions 2 years.
- It has Bluetooth (yes, I know, not as smart as WiFi, but still handy that door can open automatically, when I want to get in and have shopping bags in my hands. Also still being able to programme from phone and open/lock, if I’m near enough to the door (living room or kitchen for example).
Also, it’s nearly $100 more than the Allegion, if purchased online.

 
 
 
 




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  #2489346 22-May-2020 12:14
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@Dynamic mentioned earlier in this thread that a 3rd party RFID tag can be used for the Yale, as long as it has the right specifications.

 

What are the specifications required?

 

Would something like this work?

 

RFID Tag Key Fob 13.56MHz


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  #2489376 22-May-2020 12:45
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LMGTFY... πŸ˜‰

 

https://www.yale.com.hk/Yale/yalelockCOMCN/FAQ/YDM3109/YDM3109-User-Manual-ENSC.pdf says you can use your ISO 14443 A type RFID card such as credit card or pass card as your card key.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_14443 says 13.56 MHz and there is a Type A and a Type B

 

Trademe doesn't have any results in a search for 14443, but RFID tags are cheap as chips, so maybe grab a couple of cheapies to try.  Actually the TradeMe search doesn't seem that flash, as I can see ISO14443A in listing 2629847151 but can't search for it.

 

We've not ended up using any RFID tags with ours, but I would like to add the bluetooth module at some stage the future so adding temporary codes is quick and easy.  When we replaced our windows with double glazed PVC units, we got a new front door with this lock, but nobody mentioned the bluetooth option.





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  #2489379 22-May-2020 12:47
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I wouldn’t buy based on the warranty - the lock will either fail quickly, or last forever.

 

But I don’t get why you have to pick from what your builder is offering - why not engage a locksmith?





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  #2490305 23-May-2020 23:27
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Dynamic:

 

LMGTFY... πŸ˜‰

 

https://www.yale.com.hk/Yale/yalelockCOMCN/FAQ/YDM3109/YDM3109-User-Manual-ENSC.pdf says you can use your ISO 14443 A type RFID card such as credit card or pass card as your card key.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_14443 says 13.56 MHz and there is a Type A and a Type B

 

Trademe doesn't have any results in a search for 14443, but RFID tags are cheap as chips, so maybe grab a couple of cheapies to try.  Actually the TradeMe search doesn't seem that flash, as I can see ISO14443A in listing 2629847151 but can't search for it.

 

We've not ended up using any RFID tags with ours, but I would like to add the bluetooth module at some stage the future so adding temporary codes is quick and easy.  When we replaced our windows with double glazed PVC units, we got a new front door with this lock, but nobody mentioned the bluetooth option.

 

 

Thanks. Sorry, did try to Google it, but didn't find the info that you helpfully have included.

 

I've ordered a few tags from Ebay and will let you know if they work (will probably take 4-5 weeks for them to arrive).


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