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mattwnz
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  #2902180 14-Apr-2022 00:16
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Handle9: IMO there’s at least another hundred basis points (1%) of OCR increases coming in the next 12 months. It could well be more. We are coming away from the bottom of the interest rate cycle and I doubt it will get that low again in the next 30 years. I was paying over 10% around 2008-2009, admittedly on a relatively small mortgage.

It’s always painful when you start a mortgage. Inflation makes it easier as you go. You get salary increases, you get used to paying your mortgage and managing your finances. It’s pretty challenging at the start though.

 

 

 

That is why I can't understand why banks were willing to stress test at relatively low levels. I heard some banks were stress testing at between 5-6% when the rates dropped to the lows over teh last few years. When it is entirely possible interest rates could go well over 6%. Even 6% is low historically. If banks had been required to stress test at more normal levels, I don't think house prices would have risen anywhere near as high.  IMO it could be a slow car crash situation. A lot of people seemed to think that house prices wouldn't drop, due to a lack of supply. But we now have more houses on the market than there have been for a long time, and houses aren't selling . Agents are dropping prices everywhere and I have never seen so many prices dropped. Many of the ones on my own watchlist have dropped.


 
 
 
 

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  #2902184 14-Apr-2022 06:29
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insane: @Divhon88 

Presumably if you were honest in your mortgage application about your living expenses the bank would have already stress tested your ability to repay at higher interest rates. As others have mentioned too, your income will hopefully increase over time making it feel less painful. Think of your extra $500 per week as payment into a long term investment.

 

 

This is pretty sketchy dude. Banks stress-test buyers in order to make sure that they get paid, they don't care if you live off rice and noodles because you can't afford a nutritious diet, or if your kids miss out on playing sport, and so on. 

 

An extra $500 would sting for most people. That's effectively the running costs for a whole child in terms of food and daycare without any of the warm fuzzies or fun stuff that go along with making one. The irony being that will be a choice that many hoping to grow families will now face, after putting it off in the first place due to the massive deposit requirements to get a foot in the door.

 

Frankly anyone under 40 in NZ has just been given financial hiding after financial hiding and at some point, you probably need to take the hint that no matter what happens, you're going to be the cohort that cops it. 


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  #2902186 14-Apr-2022 07:10
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GV27:

 

This is pretty sketchy dude. Banks stress-test buyers in order to make sure that they get paid, they don't care if you live off rice and noodles because you can't afford a nutritious diet, or if your kids miss out on playing sport, and so on. 

 

An extra $500 would sting for most people.

 

 

 

 

Something doesn't quite add up here. $669,000 with 10% deposit, over 30 years at 8% equals..

 

8% = $4403pm or $1016pw

 

6%= $3600pm or $830pw

 

4%= $2865pm or $661pw

 

2%= $2218pm or $511pw

 

If the OP thought the mortgage was going to be close to the weekly rent of $350 something is amiss, surely at some point someone must have sat down and worked out the repayments?

 

 




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  #2902190 14-Apr-2022 08:02
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$350 a week would be great!! Where do I sign up for that mortgage?


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  #2902215 14-Apr-2022 08:55
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Maybe the $350 is one person's share of the mortgage (double income home)?

Otherwise yeah that doesn't make too much sense to me either. But having a similar sized mortgage with parts of it coming up for re-fixing, I totally appreciate the additional costs coming our collective way.

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  #2902227 14-Apr-2022 09:29
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The problem with the banks' stress testing is that it's done on a cashflow basis.

 

Before I purchased my apartment I did my own stress tests which took into account things like depreciation and contingencies. In doing so I found that what I could realistically afford was a lot less than what the banks were willing to lend. In the case of some banks the difference was significant. 


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  #2902292 14-Apr-2022 11:30
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Your 10% deposit will probably be wiped when the house is built as values drop.

 

If you're able to, get in housemates to help cover the costs.  Otherwise if you have a partner you should be relying on them contribute, even minimum wage at 44k gives you $700 a week take home pay.  Just go through all your expenses and start cutting the luxuries, and work on upskilling or moving roles till you can get the pay you can live comfortably on.  Stress is a good motivator.




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  #2902294 14-Apr-2022 11:36
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Stress is also a ticket to an early grave too, and our mental health support in this country is non existent. So let's not pretend stress is some force for good in the universe, especially financial stress. 

 

The idea that repeatedly changing jobs in order to barely meet your living costs should never, ever be couched in 'just' terms. Job security is a huge thing for a lot of people, that shouldn't be something that they have to choose over making ends meet. 


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  #2902297 14-Apr-2022 11:42
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Whats the alternative?  Just do nothing and decimate their wealth into bankruptcy?  I'm not advocating for deliberate stress because its already a stressful situation for this guy which you can pick up from their post.  They need to try everything so they can to keep their head above the water as there are still options available to them.  If they're a FHB they still got 30 years of work and pay rises to come.

 

 


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  #2902306 14-Apr-2022 12:14
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irpegg:

 

If they're a FHB they still got 30 years of work and pay rises to come.

 

 

The problem is that a lot of people these days are buying property when they are well into their 40s, which creates a risk of them still having to make mortgage repayments after they retire. 


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  #2902398 14-Apr-2022 14:44
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GV27:

 

Stress is also a ticket to an early grave too, and our mental health support in this country is non existent. So let's not pretend stress is some force for good in the universe, especially financial stress. 

 

 

Pfft. Stress and competition are the foundation stones of the free market capitalism ideology.

 

Sink or swim comrades.





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  #2902405 14-Apr-2022 15:05
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alasta:

 

irpegg:

 

If they're a FHB they still got 30 years of work and pay rises to come.

 

 

The problem is that a lot of people these days are buying property when they are well into their 40s, which creates a risk of them still having to make mortgage repayments after they retire. 

 

 

I'll be one of them, though like everyone I'm hoping to not need the thirty years. It will be interesting, previous finance companies I've worked for had an unofficial no debt under 18 or over 65 rule. 


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  #2902407 14-Apr-2022 15:11
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alasta:

 

The problem is that a lot of people these days are buying property when they are well into their 40s, which creates a risk of them still having to make mortgage repayments after they retire. 

 

 

Correct, if you spend decades getting out of a modest starter home, that doesn't give you much working life to cover costs if you ever need something with more space or bedrooms at some point. 

 

Heaven forbid you get divorced or have to set up in a new town/city. 


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  #2902408 14-Apr-2022 15:12
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mudguard:

alasta:


The problem is that a lot of people these days are buying property when they are well into their 40s, which creates a risk of them still having to make mortgage repayments after they retire. 



I'll be one of them, though like everyone I'm hoping to not need the thirty years. It will be interesting, previous finance companies I've worked for had an unofficial no debt under 18 or over 65 rule. 



It’s an explicit rule here in the UAE. If you buy a property you can only get a mortgage until the age of 65 - ie they reduce the term to end when you are 65.

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