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blackjack17
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  #3032182 5-Feb-2023 15:36
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surfisup1000:

 

MikeB4: How much of this "egg shortage" is the same as the so called toilet paper shortage. Media generated hysteria.

The human egg production produces a better product. We have been eating free range eggs for decades. They are vastly superior to the factory produced product.

Factory production of eggs is disgusting, the industry had a decade to change, those who did survive those who didn't won't, a good thing.

We have not experienced any issues buying eggs The
Countdown in Pito-One had plenty.

 

Government banned battery farmed hens, this among other factors indisputably caused a decrease in egg supply, and price increases. 

 

Its lovely that you can afford free range eggs on your good government salary and/or pension. 

 

However, consider those on minimum wage.  Politicians and higher income individuals make these decisions without any consideration for those who can barely afford eggs.  

 

Great that you can afford free range , but, consider those less well off than you too. Factory production is disgusting, but , I value people over chickens. 

 

Would you donate a portion of your income/assets to compensate those who can no longer afford eggs?  I suspect not. 

 

 

As mentioned in this thread before the government banned factory chickens 10 years ago and gave farmers 10 years to make changes.

 

Most of those farmers changed to colony cages, which the two main supermarkets in 2019 indicated that they would no longer take eggs from them.

 

It isn't the government which is the issue here it is the supermarkets.  

 

Another solution would be to source your eggs from non-supermarket shops which will still take colony eggs.





 
 
 

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  #3032229 5-Feb-2023 15:41
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msukiwi:

 

Is this now another Politics Thread?

 

 

Yes, this is inevitable because politics is an argument over scarce resources . 

 

In making a decision to increase the price of a scarce resource one needs to consider consumer demographics. Some consumers can afford eggs at triple the current price or more, some cannot even afford to pay half the price.

 

The rich who want happier chickens, the poor struggle to feed themselves. Who does the politician try to please? You can't please both, a decision must be made. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #3032230 5-Feb-2023 15:43
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blackjack17:

 

As mentioned in this thread before the government banned factory chickens 10 years ago and gave farmers 10 years to make changes.

 

Most of those farmers changed to colony cages, which the two main supermarkets in 2019 indicated that they would no longer take eggs from them.

 

It isn't the government which is the issue here it is the supermarkets.  

 

Another solution would be to source your eggs from non-supermarket shops which will still take colony eggs.

 

 

Colony eggs are still more expensive than battery farmed eggs.  

 

But I do agree, colony farmed eggs are probably a good trade off between price and animal welfare. Supermarkets really stuffed up there. 




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  #3032231 5-Feb-2023 15:46
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msukiwi:

 

Is this now another Politics Thread?

 

If it is indeed caused by politics, then let it be discussed.  If not, let those that think so post that so they can be educated.

 

 

 

Lias:

 

I don't even understand why we're banning battery farming in the first place. Cheaper food prices for people should always take precedence over any rights that animals allegedly have.

 

Animal rights activists are a bit like religious zealots to me.. I don't care if you believe in jeebus, the man in the moon, or that animals should have rights, believe what you want, but the minute you try and force your way of life down my throat you can feck right off.

 

 

That's great.  Why have good animal husbandry when we can drop the price of protein by a few $/kg?  Hell let's allow cows to run around in mud to the point their feet rot off and fill our milk with mastitis so we can have that cheaper too.  I'm sure that dead cow in your neighbour's back yard will be nicely aged and if you bake him a cake he'll carve some off for you.  Now that's cheap.





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  #3032233 5-Feb-2023 15:50
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MikeB4: 

We have been eating free range eggs for decades. They are vastly superior to the factory produced product.

Factory production of eggs is disgusting, the industry had a decade to change, those who did survive those who didn't won't, a good thing.

 

hmm .. good point ... has this been studied/any evidence that the eggs we currently buy is helping us live longer and the cheap rubbish we used to buy was killing us?


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  #3032237 5-Feb-2023 15:59
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Batman:

 

hmm .. good point ... has this been studied/any evidence that the eggs we currently buy is helping us live longer and the cheap rubbish we used to buy was killing us?

 

 

A quick Google shows that free range are better, healthier and more nutritious than caged eggs. Yellower too. They eat the wider range of foods that chickens should eat

 

Just one of many results.

 

https://www.delish.com/food-news/a21101411/6-reasons-you-should-be-buying-free-range-eggs/

 

 


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  #3032240 5-Feb-2023 16:06
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Australia seems to be waiting till 2036 to phase out caged chicken farming.
Apparently 30 out of 36 OECD nations have or are in process of phasing them out.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-23/caged-eggs-phased-out-by-2036-under-national-proposal/100236246

 

Europe has stopped this since 2012, so it seems it's doable, just an issue of dealing with transition ?

 

Market forces should correct things as there is an incentive for new entrants/investment into egg production.

 

Providing we don't pave too much farmland. More land being needed.

 

I expect there is a double whammy of the covid experience making people review their lives.
Older producers deciding that early retirement is calling them.
Then the big changes at same time requiring new investment, establishing different infrastructure on potentially different properties.
Possibly a triple as covid hit construction/investment which would have made it difficult for those who wanted to continue and restructure their operations.

 

Market forces are there for the market to correct.
It just takes time for newcomers and existing producers restructuring to gain momentum.
Supermarkets may also be encouraged by necessity to compromise on their sharp contracts that often marginalize producers.  

 

Feed prices are up so costs may never be the same.




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  #3032245 5-Feb-2023 16:23
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Ive decided keeping chickens is beyond my abilities

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  #3032289 5-Feb-2023 19:19
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Lias:

 

I don't even understand why we're banning battery farming in the first place.

 

 

What a great opportunity to learn why.


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  #3032292 5-Feb-2023 19:31
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Used to take chocolates to friends when invited...a dozen eggs may now be a more appreciated gift if the shortages continue.

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  #3032319 5-Feb-2023 22:03
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Converting from battery to colony, while expensive, is a fairly straightforward operation with very basic mathematical constraints.

 

If you don't increase the shed size then the number of chickens has to be reduced.

 

Shed size can be increased, without having to purchase more land, by building up.

 

For those who have been south of Auckland on SH2, at Dobson Rd, you can see the newer multi-level colony sheds there.

 

Free range chickens require a lot more land per hen than colony hens.

 

An existing battery/colony egg producer would have to buy way more land to maintain production levels.

 

Land isnt cheap, and neither are the resource consents required for poultry operations.

 

Consents can get refused, or take so long to be granted the applicant gives up, or goes broke or both.

 

People also dont like living next door to large scale poultry operations of any sort, so consents are hard to get approved.

 

So converting to free-range has actually been impossible for many.

 

I really feel for egg producers.

 

Since the supermarkets pulled the rug out from under colony farms, they've been on a hiding to nothing.

 

Those that converted from battery to colony are unlikely to recover their costs, even if they sell their land for life-style blocks.

 

Even existing free-range producers would need more land to run all the extra chickens, and its not a given for them either.

 

Meanwhile, I suspect free-range egg producers will never be able to secure enough land required to run all the free-range chickens required to lay all the free-range eggs required to keep egg prices at a level that we all can afford. 

 

 





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  #3032396 6-Feb-2023 09:02
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We used to have chickens for a few years in suburban Auckland. Definitely pros and cons.

 

 

 

Pros:

 

- free eggs

 

- good pets

 

- keep the guava moth population to a minimum

 

 

 

Cons:

 

- poo

 

- tear up your lawn and garden

 

- get killed by neighbours' pets

 

- can be noisy

 

 

 

After the first couple of months we never bought feed for them. They had kitchen scraps and rice, supplemented with worms, slugs, crickets, and other insects they could forage for.


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  #3032401 6-Feb-2023 09:17
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kiwifidget:

 

Consents can get refused, or take so long to be granted the applicant gives up, or goes broke or both.

 

 

 

 

This is a big one. It can take years and years. You have to have deep pockets to stick around.


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  #3032435 6-Feb-2023 11:22
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Timing is everything. Stuff today...Fire at Zeagold a large barn egg laying operation at Orini north of Hamilton.




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  #3032442 6-Feb-2023 11:52
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Eva888: Timing is everything. Stuff today...Fire at Zeagold a large barn egg laying operation at Orini north of Hamilton.





75000 chickens killed that’s perhaps 65000 eggs a day?

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