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  Reply # 506211 14-Aug-2011 11:57
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Using BT jacks is also a waste of time (and money), RJ45's are the accepted norm these days and significantly cheaper.




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  Reply # 506244 14-Aug-2011 13:35
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Ventura: If you do not use a splitter you need to add a filter between each phone and jack plug you use. Also if you have an alarm and use ADSL you then definately need a splitter or else the alarm will interfere with your ADSL signal as it will be unfiltered.
Have a look at this site- http://www.ees.net.nz/it/doingyourowntelephonewiring.htm


"Note: this page describes the phone wiring conventions in the United States. I'm not familiar with the phone wiring conventions outside the U.S., so the information here may not apply in your country."

Maybe to avoid confusion Zolly should indicate whether he is using or likely to use ADSL


We never intend to use ADSL.. Cable is what we use.




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  Reply # 506245 14-Aug-2011 13:36
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sbiddle: Using BT jacks is also a waste of time (and money), RJ45's are the accepted norm these days and significantly cheaper.



For a business maybe... All bought phones have BT plugs though...




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  Reply # 506478 14-Aug-2011 21:47
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So no ADSL so no need for DSL filter, as I expected

But as Steve mentioned dont use BT's wire the Cat5e as structured cabling (ie fully wired RJ45 sockets and patch panels) so you can shove phone or data or both down it as suits.

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  Reply # 506499 14-Aug-2011 22:27
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cyril7: So no ADSL so no need for DSL filter, as I expected

But as Steve mentioned dont use BT's wire the Cat5e as structured cabling (ie fully wired RJ45 sockets and patch panels) so you can shove phone or data or both down it as suits.


And a RJ11 plugs nicely into a RJ45 socket... So a regular RJ11 phone extension code if you don't want to go out and get a RJ45 - RJ11 cable to plug into the phone.  RJ45's all the way.





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  Reply # 506502 14-Aug-2011 22:33
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sbiddle: Using BT jacks is also a waste of time (and money), RJ45's are the accepted norm these days and significantly cheaper.



For a business maybe... All bought phones have BT plugs though...


Seriously mate, your thinking house wiring from 10 years ago. The TCF (telecommunications carrier forum) specify at least cat5e and RJ45 face plates for any cabling where possible. Check this out:
http://www.tcf.org.nz/content/95569cab-9c46-4d2b-b644-41540a148468.cmr

Secondly most phones these days have rj-11 plugs which can go directly into an rj45. But more to the point, even these days in many homes more ports are used for ethernet networking than standard anaolgue phone and this will continue even moreso into the future.

If you still have phones with BT plugs on them you can get some adapters. I'll even send you some for free! 







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  Reply # 506511 14-Aug-2011 22:44
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Good lord I'm learning new stuff from this thread.

Ok now:

1. Running cat5e cables for all Internet and Telephone outlets to central cupboard (not on roof space)
2. Don't need a 'master' Phone socket any longer
3. No need for an adsl splitter since we use cable
4. Use RJ45 faceplates for network
5. Use RJ11 faceplates for phone
6. Zeon will send me a couple BT to RJ11 adapters ;-)

Was planning to use a nice PDL flush plate. Used them before and good with modules available.




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  Reply # 506522 14-Aug-2011 23:26
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ZollyMonsta: Good lord I'm learning new stuff from this thread.

Ok now:

1. Running cat5e cables for all Internet and Telephone outlets to central cupboard (not on roof space)
2. Don't need a 'master' Phone socket any longer
3. No need for an adsl splitter since we use cable
4. Use RJ45 faceplates for network
5. Use RJ11 faceplates for phone
6. Zeon will send me a couple BT to RJ11 adapters ;-)

Was planning to use a nice PDL flush plate. Used them before and good with modules available.


Yup perfect apart from one point - no need for rj-11 faceplates. RJ-11 plugs on your phone cable will fit in an RJ-45 face plate. This means you will only have rj-45s at every point in the house which keeps things very easy.

PM me with your details if you want some adapters and I'll try and find some :) 





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  Reply # 506527 15-Aug-2011 00:28
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Would also be great if you could take some photo's and upload them while you go about installing everything, will double as an incentive for getting it done tidily or forum goers will let you know :)

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  Reply # 506551 15-Aug-2011 07:52
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Don't use rj11 plugs in rj45 outlets - it will bend the outer pins in the rj45 socket

rj45 --> rj11 cables are widely available and cheap

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  Reply # 506553 15-Aug-2011 07:59
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Don't use rj11 plugs in rj45 outlets - it will bend the outer pins in the rj45 socket

rj45 --> rj11 cables are widely available and cheap


Agreed, while they do fit they can damage the outer pins, takes time to happen so occasional use is fine but, you can either use BT to RJ45 adaptors for about $5 or just get replacement RJ45-RJ11 line cords for around $2.


http://www.cablesdirect.co.nz/catalog/entry?entry=175&page_number=1

http://www.cablesdirect.co.nz/catalog/entry?entry=384

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