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  Reply # 736028 21-Dec-2012 14:21
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wow this make so much more sense!

why didn't the building code account for downlights in the past such that all the now old houses with plenty of downlights have no insulation around these lights!

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  Reply # 736047 21-Dec-2012 14:52
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It was always there, the difference is now fittings in residential installations are required to be IC rated even when you do not have insulation (like a garage). This is because at some stage the home owner might decide to DIY install (or replace) insulation and not realise the fitting needs to be IC rated.

The change does not apply to businesses because typically they get professionals to do a job, so there is less risk of having insulation over a non-IC rated fitting.




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  Reply # 794847 8-Apr-2013 09:28
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It's been a while since this thread was updated, any word on 100-120w equivalent LED E27's? I bought a couple at the Home Show and was impressed with them, but wondering on others experience with them?

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  Reply # 794852 8-Apr-2013 09:38
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I'd like to endorse some IC Rated LED downlights that I've just fitted in my house. They're these http://www.halcyonlights.co.nz/led/led-downlights/r755-kwwl

Give a great light and are pretty reasonable, my sparky got them for $55 inc GST



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  Reply # 794854 8-Apr-2013 09:46
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langers1972: I'd like to endorse some IC Rated LED downlights that I've just fitted in my house. They're these http://www.halcyonlights.co.nz/led/led-downlights/r755-kwwl

Give a great light and are pretty reasonable, my sparky got them for $55 inc GST


What's IC Rated? 14w is about 120W of real light right?

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  Reply # 794857 8-Apr-2013 09:53
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IC = Insulation Cover.




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  Reply # 794858 8-Apr-2013 10:01
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langers1972: I'd like to endorse some IC Rated LED downlights that I've just fitted in my house. They're these http://www.halcyonlights.co.nz/led/led-downlights/r755-kwwl

Give a great light and are pretty reasonable, my sparky got them for $55 inc GST


What's IC Rated? 14w is about 120W of real light right?


IC ratings

If you look at the R755 page you will see that it is 1000 lumen, about the equivalent of a 100W incandescent.

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  Reply # 794863 8-Apr-2013 10:15
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I've personally decided to go for the Philips HUE lights. They are unavailable in NZ so you have to source them from the UK (240V). (AU does not sell them any more and the USA ones are 110V which are a little easier to source)

They use the Zigbee HA/ZLL Standard and have around 10 Year life. (Well they are rated in Hours but near enough). With 80% less cost of LED's over its lifetime (Power/replacement) they will pay themselves off over their lifetime.

The reason I went for them are they use a more open standard and automation/API is a lot better. ("White" is alot better than the limitlessLED's I have been told and you can individually control each lamp so only one controller is needed) . You don't have to buy multiple controllers if you have a large number of bulbs and have more than 4 rooms.

Yes they are quite a bit more expensive than other bulbs (about $100 NZ including shipping EACH) - Yes Ouch.
They also can be integrated with the Living Colours Lamps as well with the same standard.


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  Reply # 794971 8-Apr-2013 13:24
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LennonNZ:
The reason I went for them are they use a more open standard and automation/API is a lot better. ("White" is alot better than the limitlessLED's I have been told and you can individually control each lamp so only one controller is needed) . You don't have to buy multiple controllers if you have a large number of bulbs and have more than 4 rooms.

Yes they are quite a bit more expensive than other bulbs (about $100 NZ including shipping EACH) - Yes Ouch.
They also can be integrated with the Living Colours Lamps as well with the same standard.



yeah you are right, for rgb our LimitlessLED lights are color only, with a dull white, and only one rgb zone per controller at the moment. I've never seen the hue, but I heard that our limitlessled adjustable white bulbs are a lot better than hue, can you confirm? and the limitlessled controller controls 4 zones for white.

just each LimitlessLED controller is $17 per room and $19 rgb works out to $36 per room. you can have unlimited controllers.  if you just have 12 white zones and 3 rgb zones for the kids rooms. then you just need 3 small limitlessled wifi bridges. which is just $51 for 3 controllers.

I am working on some new technology that will give us adjustable white in the same bulb as rgb with good brightness like our white color temp adjustables.  I am hoping I can keep the component cost low enough to stay at $19 per RGB+W bulb.

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  Reply # 794982 8-Apr-2013 13:36
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Oh and regarding the Lifx bulbs.. They look ugly :-)

There are no specs on the controlling them/API/availability etc

Seems like I would have to wait 6 months if I ordered now before I would see any..

There are quite a lot of different ways of doing stuff and it would be great if there was a standard on a certain way to control them. Z-Wave, Zigbee HA/ZLL even Mesh 802.11 Wifi Network with a standard JSON/XML API.


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  Reply # 795002 8-Apr-2013 13:52
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LennonNZ: Oh and regarding the Lifx bulbs.. They look ugly :-)

There are no specs on the controlling them/API/availability etc

Seems like I would have to wait 6 months if I ordered now before I would see any..

There are quite a lot of different ways of doing stuff and it would be great if there was a standard on a certain way to control them. Z-Wave, Zigbee HA/ZLL even Mesh 802.11 Wifi Network with a standard JSON/XML API.



yeah the "good thing about standards, is that there are so many to choose from".  That is such my favourite quote of all time. hehe.

some have deployed tcp/ip udp, most automation IR controllers and the like also use network udp.

I have come to realize that all my everyday friends just want the LED lighting app to look nice.. to work super fast. and be reliable, and have a free app on the appstore/playstore. I am hoping SmartThings will save the day here, but just like you say about LIFX, smarthings is still another 6 months away, and smarthings still has to prove itself with api/availability etc.

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  Reply # 795043 8-Apr-2013 14:42
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networkn: It's been a while since this thread was updated, any word on 100-120w equivalent LED E27's? I bought a couple at the Home Show and was impressed with them, but wondering on others experience with them?


How many lumens where they?

Looking at fitting out my house with these 
http://www.orbitlighting.co.nz/design.resources/pdfs/ORBIT-LED-full-brochure.pdf

7 Watt version.



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  Reply # 795048 8-Apr-2013 14:45
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Stan:
networkn: It's been a while since this thread was updated, any word on 100-120w equivalent LED E27's? I bought a couple at the Home Show and was impressed with them, but wondering on others experience with them?


How many lumens where they?

Looking at fitting out my house with these 
http://www.orbitlighting.co.nz/design.resources/pdfs/ORBIT-LED-full-brochure.pdf

7 Watt version.


Claimed 1050 but I think that was optimistic. They are about as bright as my 100w bulbs

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  Reply # 795058 8-Apr-2013 15:00
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I know the guy bringing these into NZ (but no I don't get kickbacks :P) - they have been NZ certified and are dimmable..

Put 3 in my hallway and very impressed nice colour / beam spread and very bright. Just ordering 20 more for the lounge and kitchen.

Also does a smaller 7w version that fits directly into the older GU55 type hole I think..

http://www.trademe.co.nz/building-renovation/electrical-lighting/lights/inset-lights/auction-579454209.htm

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  Reply # 795382 9-Apr-2013 09:30
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networkn:
Stan:
networkn: It's been a while since this thread was updated, any word on 100-120w equivalent LED E27's? I bought a couple at the Home Show and was impressed with them, but wondering on others experience with them?


How many lumens where they?

Looking at fitting out my house with these 
http://www.orbitlighting.co.nz/design.resources/pdfs/ORBIT-LED-full-brochure.pdf

7 Watt version.


Claimed 1050 but I think that was optimistic. They are about as bright as my 100w bulbs


150 lm/W is a ridiculous claim. 600 lumen is much more likely.

Also those orbit ones probably wouldn't be suitable for your home - only 420 lumen for the 7W version - about equivalent to a 40W incandecent bulb.

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