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Topic # 143714 24-Apr-2014 12:00
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We're looking at getting a Naked DSL product out soonish. Using the same traffic management as our popular No Data Cap bundle. 

What do you think a good price would be?

Also, those on our No Data Cap plan - any feedback on it's performance? 





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  Reply # 1030542 24-Apr-2014 12:32
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$75 is about the cheapest I've seen such a plan so far, so...




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  Reply # 1030576 24-Apr-2014 13:34
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Considering your unlimited plan with a phone line and national calling is $85, it would have to be around $20 cheaper to make it worth while ditching the land line and free calling.
I would happily pay $75-85 if and only if there was no traffic management

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1030598 24-Apr-2014 14:19
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$69 per month with a $10 discount of you have anything less than 100% up-time :p

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  Reply # 1030612 24-Apr-2014 14:32
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Isn't your main point of difference 'free broadband'. (When you buy a landline). That was what your whole launch thing was about anyway.

Won't naked broadband totally go against your entire strategy? It would have to be a lot cheaper to be worth it, like $15-$20 cheaper.


Also, I suspect the kind of people who want naked uncapped broadband probably won't accept your very long list of restricted sites.



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  Reply # 1032391 28-Apr-2014 10:04
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Thanks for the feedback guys. 

The good news is we're going to be in the region you've suggested.

Re free broadband - we've moved on from that strategy. The short of it is that many thought free equals poor broadband service which is far from the truth

So late last year we changed to bundles and sales went up significantly. 

Regarding the list of sites - what would you like removed and why?




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  Reply # 1032540 28-Apr-2014 13:17
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We'll be dropping the fair use policy for individuals shortly on the new naked plan and our current Homeline and Broadband bundle.

Traffic management will still be in place to protect network performance etc.






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  Reply # 1032543 28-Apr-2014 13:25
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Do you have any plans to offer public IP addresses like Bigpipe do?

This is to bypass the NAT for things like switching netflix regions etc..




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  Reply # 1032545 28-Apr-2014 13:31
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skewt: Do you have any plans to offer public IP addresses like Bigpipe do?

This is to bypass the NAT for things like switching netflix regions etc..



Not that I'm aware of. 

In terms of switching Netflix regions, try Hola

Works great and is free. 




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  Reply # 1032558 28-Apr-2014 14:02
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ScottHoogerbrug:
skewt: Do you have any plans to offer public IP addresses like Bigpipe do?

This is to bypass the NAT for things like switching netflix regions etc..



Not that I'm aware of. 

In terms of switching Netflix regions, try Hola

Works great and is free. 



Thanks for that, unable to use Hola as it was being used on a PS3,
I think they are stuck in UK at the moment last time I checked




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  Reply # 1032560 28-Apr-2014 14:11
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skewt:
ScottHoogerbrug:
skewt: Do you have any plans to offer public IP addresses like Bigpipe do?

This is to bypass the NAT for things like switching netflix regions etc..



Not that I'm aware of. 

In terms of switching Netflix regions, try Hola

Works great and is free. 



Thanks for that, unable to use Hola as it was being used on a PS3,
I think they are stuck in UK at the moment last time I checked



Can you change the region and DNS on your PS3?




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  Reply # 1032579 28-Apr-2014 14:16
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Well, Big pipe does $79 and they don't have traffic management. So around that mark?

 

Have you considered removing the traffic management like orcon has?

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  Reply # 1032580 28-Apr-2014 14:17
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ScottHoogerbrug:
skewt:
ScottHoogerbrug:
skewt: Do you have any plans to offer public IP addresses like Bigpipe do?

This is to bypass the NAT for things like switching netflix regions etc..



Not that I'm aware of. 

In terms of switching Netflix regions, try Hola

Works great and is free. 



Thanks for that, unable to use Hola as it was being used on a PS3,
I think they are stuck in UK at the moment last time I checked



Can you change the region and DNS on your PS3?



Only by using Unotelly or Unblock-US etc, but these don't work correctly due to the NAT,
You can get netflix/hulu going but since it could be anyone's unotelly account activating access you cant change regions
Only a minor thing but other than that my friend has been pretty happy with the streaming with limited buffering




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  Reply # 1032602 28-Apr-2014 14:39
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Yabanize: Well, Big pipe does $79 and they don't have traffic management. So around that mark? Have you considered removing the traffic management like orcon has?


They do actually re BigPipe.

We have a traffic management policy which allows us to prioritize time-sensitive traffic (e.g. VOIP and gaming) over non time-sensitive traffic (e.g. peer to peer) at busy times. See our no data cap FAQ for more details. We have not currently implemented this but may choose to do so in the future.


May means we will at any point...

In regards to dropping it completely, we feel it's a better way to maintain a high quality service. 30% of our sales join our No Data Cap plan so must be doing something right :)

Arguably Orcon's approach of simply adding more international bandwidth can have it's own issues - if you don't have enough everything slows, not just P2P etc.




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  Reply # 1032634 28-Apr-2014 15:40
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ScottHoogerbrug:
Yabanize: Well, Big pipe does $79 and they don't have traffic management. So around that mark? Have you considered removing the traffic management like orcon has?


They do actually re BigPipe.

We have a traffic management policy which allows us to prioritize time-sensitive traffic (e.g. VOIP and gaming) over non time-sensitive traffic (e.g. peer to peer) at busy times. See our no data cap FAQ for more details. We have not currently implemented this but may choose to do so in the future.


May means we will at any point...

In regards to dropping it completely, we feel it's a better way to maintain a high quality service. 30% of our sales join our No Data Cap plan so must be doing something right :)

Arguably Orcon's approach of simply adding more international bandwidth can have it's own issues - if you don't have enough everything slows, not just P2P etc.


Well since we've been mentioned here, though I would chime in :D

Unfortunately our lawyers are pretty paranoid.  :(    (I guess it comes from many years of Telecom being hauled before the comcom)

We don't have any traffic management right now, and no intention of bringing it it, but the lawyers said if there is a chance you might ever bring it in you should put it in the contract now, even if you don't do it. Since we can't guarantee we will never do it, we have put that we reserve the right to do it in the contract to be safe, even though we haven't built it, and don't have it on our roadmap or in our budget.

It's the same sort of legal advice that stops us saying things like 'no contracts'.  Whilst most people would understand 'no contracts' to mean 'no 12 month contracts',  if we say 'no contracts' that is actually misleading and wrong (according the legal team).  We do have a contract, even though the customer is free to leave anytime. (any agreement to buy something is a contract, so if the customer pays us $79, we are contractually obliged to provide broadband to them - best efforts etc, but still a contract)

Obviously the Flip lawyers aren't so paranoid as ours, as they are quite happy to put 'no contracts whatsoever' on their site.  

(can we trade lawyers please   :P  )




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  Reply # 1032638 28-Apr-2014 15:44
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ScottHoogerbrug:
Yabanize: Well, Big pipe does $79 and they don't have traffic management. So around that mark? Have you considered removing the traffic management like orcon has?


They do actually re BigPipe.

We have a traffic management policy which allows us to prioritize time-sensitive traffic (e.g. VOIP and gaming) over non time-sensitive traffic (e.g. peer to peer) at busy times. See our no data cap FAQ for more details. We have not currently implemented this but may choose to do so in the future.


May means we will at any point...

In regards to dropping it completely, we feel it's a better way to maintain a high quality service. 30% of our sales join our No Data Cap plan so must be doing something right :)

Arguably Orcon's approach of simply adding more international bandwidth can have it's own issues - if you don't have enough everything slows, not just P2P etc.


Ahh I see, I see may as we will only do it if we have to, and so far they havnt needed to, and they hope not to

 

It says on their site "We don't have a fair use policy based on the amount of GBs you can download. If people start doing stupid things that hurt the network, we might have to implement something, but it will only be to stop people being unfair. Please play nice. "

How much does flips traffic manangement affect p2p though? Just wondering, will it slow down to a crawl?

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