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  Reply # 839531 19-Jun-2013 15:46
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NonprayingMantis,

Yes you can but if the only reason you get the net is to stream sports and you like more than just football then having to pay $500 extra a year for football is a lot of money.


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  Reply # 839532 19-Jun-2013 15:46
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vexxxboy: you have to remember that the majority of people who watched the EPL , probably recorded it on Mysky to watch at there convenience, are they willing to fork out big money to get up in the early hours to watch it live , i doubt it very much , they will watch it on TVNZ like it used to be many years ago.


I would presume you will be able to stream games on file so that won't matter. There will probably be a time limit like TVNZ on Demand.

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  Reply # 839534 19-Jun-2013 15:48
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vexxxboy: you have to remember that the majority of people who watched the EPL , probably recorded it on Mysky to watch at there convenience, are they willing to fork out big money to get up in the early hours to watch it live , i doubt it very much , they will watch it on TVNZ like it used to be many years ago.


one would assume that as well as showing the games live this service will also have some kind of catch up to watch a game that you miss at a later time - and without any need to set it to record on your PVR.

With on demand, there is no need for a PVR, in theory.


Yeah if they don't have anytime viewing of matches that would be a serious failure and kill it. Live is best but if you can't you should be able to just select your match and watch it at your connivence. You wouldn't even need to remember setting a recording. It will just be there. That's the point of internet tv. Well, it should be.

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  Reply # 839535 19-Jun-2013 15:48
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This is only the start of whats to come, because its already happening overseas.

I have no doubt the result will be cheaper overall compare to Sky.

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  Reply # 839536 19-Jun-2013 15:48
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Jas777: Expression,

Yes there is but a lot of people only have a small data cap. Having to stream sports will probably put them in the next price point for a lot of internet companies which is around the $20 a month mark.

Also if other family members are using your connection it will affect the quality you get.

Sure you can have a smart TV but you have to have a grunt connection to see in top quality, a lot of people haven't.


entry level broadband plans are, for most people, $75 for around $30 GB
You can get unlimited data from Slingshot for $90, or unlimited data with unlimited national calling from Orcon for $99

This is not a huge amount extra to fork out, especially compared to the price of Sky basic + Sky sports +MySky + HD ticket which can easily set you back close to $100 per month 

Not to mention the other amazing things you can do when you have the internet (like Pron, other media streaming, etc etc)


But those people would already likely have broadband. And as I previously mentioned, you get a lot more than just soccer for $100 per month with sky. Many soccer watchers will have wives and children, who will use sky for other things.
 I think their target audience, will not want to be bothered watching it live steaming on a computer, especially as the connection could be slow, and the picture compressed due to a poor connection. They want to watch it at their convenience, and skip the adverts via a PVR device. The other thing is many of their viewers will be in rural areas, where broadband coverage is patchy at best, they probably have to miss out. Would have been great if tivo had out bid them, could have been a new way to sell tivos in the NZ market.

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  Reply # 839545 19-Jun-2013 15:51
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we have said a lot about what it means to consumers but

what happens to sky? price drop? more deals?

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  Reply # 839553 19-Jun-2013 15:54
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mattwnz:
NonprayingMantis:
Jas777: Expression,

Yes there is but a lot of people only have a small data cap. Having to stream sports will probably put them in the next price point for a lot of internet companies which is around the $20 a month mark.

Also if other family members are using your connection it will affect the quality you get.

Sure you can have a smart TV but you have to have a grunt connection to see in top quality, a lot of people haven't.


entry level broadband plans are, for most people, $75 for around $30 GB
You can get unlimited data from Slingshot for $90, or unlimited data with unlimited national calling from Orcon for $99

This is not a huge amount extra to fork out, especially compared to the price of Sky basic + Sky sports +MySky + HD ticket which can easily set you back close to $100 per month 

Not to mention the other amazing things you can do when you have the internet (like Pron, other media streaming, etc etc)


But those people would already likely have broadband. And as I previously mentioned, you get a lot more than just soccer for $100 per month with sky. Many soccer watchers will have wives and children, who will use sky for other things.

right, and if you have a large data cap you can get all that other stuff for little or no money, meaning you can ditch sky altogether.  Most of the stuff people watch on Sky is from the free to air channels anyway.
I have ditched sky at home, saving myself $65 per month (basic +mysky).
I get all my content via TVNZ ondemand, Netflix, or iTunes now, can watch it whenever I want, with hardly any ads (only on TVNZ service) and pay a heck of a lot less than I ever paid with Sky




 I think their target audience, will not want to be bothered watching it live steaming on a computer

what makes you think they will have to watch it on a computer?
1) they might have apps for games consoles, ipads etc
2) you can easily connect most laptops to TVs via HDMI/VGA to get the big screen experience


, especially as the connection could be slow, and the picture compressed due to a poor connection.

this is true, for some people.  but 80% of houses can get 10Mbps or more, so it shouldnt be an issue for the vast majority.  



They want to watch it at their convenience, and skip the adverts via a PVR device.

guess what, with on demand you can watch at your convenience. Its a pretty reasonably assumption that these guys will have catch up of previous matches, so no need to watch everything live.  thats the benefit of On Demand. you dont need a PVR at all!


The other thing is many of their viewers will be in rural areas, where broadband coverage is patchy at best, they probably have to miss out. Would have been great if tivo had out bid them, could have been a new way to sell tivos in the NZ market.

why on earth woudl TiVo have bid for it? TiVo content (Caspa) is still delivered over the internet so all the stuff you mentioned woud still apply.
Now if Sommet sports had won the bid that would be different...

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  Reply # 839554 19-Jun-2013 15:55
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joker97: we have said a lot about what it means to consumers but

what happens to sky? price drop? more deals?


They will finally make iSky work?

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  Reply # 839556 19-Jun-2013 15:55
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Looking at what TVNZ is going to show I think some people who are thinking this is good are going to be unhappy as none of the big 6 playing each other will likely be on as they all play Sunday UK time.

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  Reply # 839564 19-Jun-2013 16:02
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Jas777: NonprayingMantis,

Yes you can but if the only reason you get the net is to stream sports and you like more than just football then having to pay $500 extra a year for football is a lot of money.



yes,  for the tiny proportion of people who 
a) love EPL and other sports
and
b) hate the internet so much that they dont see any intrinsic value in an internet connection beyond it delivering live sports stremaing
and
c) cant find the other sports they like online with a simple google search (albeit not entirely kosher)

then I agree it isn't very good value. but you can find that sort of edge case of customers for virtually any product like that.

e.g.
"Why should I have to pay $500 a year for broadband just so I can access online banking!!!"  what a rip off!

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  Reply # 839568 19-Jun-2013 16:05
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NonprayingMantis: 
why on earth woudl TiVo have bid for it? TiVo content (Caspa) is still delivered over the internet so all the stuff you mentioned woud still apply.
Now if Sommet sports had won the bid that would be different...


Understand that, but it could have been an opportunity for them, or a new player, and would have brought a new paytv provider into NZ, which is desperately needed. The commerce commission perhaps should look at relaxing the rules to allow a new entrant, like they did with 2 degrees in the mobile market. I suspect they would need a new more modern box, as the current box doesn't stream live, it downloads. Internet delivery is the future. My issue with this new provider , is that they don't have any hardware behind it, it appears to be simply rely on peoples own computer hardware to deliver that content. Sure rural people are going to miss out, but we do have this fibre roll out that NZers are paying billions for, that is supposed to fix that eventually. On demand is all very well, but PVRs are better, as you can skip advertising, which you can't do with on demand, where they seem to be adding more and more ads all the time.
I agree, Sommet would have been good, but that appear to be FTA on freeview, and the only way for them to make money is advertising, and how many people actually watch soccer, for it attract big paying advertisers. Far more people would watch xfactor, which was likely to be far less investment for the payoff.

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  Reply # 839569 19-Jun-2013 16:06
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Kopkiwi: Veitchy on sport FB page having good updates.

latest is that the quality will NOT be dodgy, looking at allowing people to link up on line through the TV and speculation Telecom may jump on board as a provider.


I'm going to repost this as it appears to have been missed judging by some comments.

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  Reply # 839575 19-Jun-2013 16:13
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They can only sell this to me IF they make it either as an application for Windows Media Centre, open source various api's or release a smart tv app. The whole purpose of the 10' UI was to make things easy to use, not go back to having to squint at a browser using a mouse from the couch.

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  Reply # 839585 19-Jun-2013 16:21
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Kopkiwi: Veitchy on sport FB page having good updates. 
looking at allowing people to link up on line through the TV


I don't understand what that means. People with a normal tv won't be able to watch it on that tv, without hooking up some type of box or pc to that tv. Unless they have a smart tv that has an app built in, such as samsung which have tvnz on demand built it. But that depends on the brand of tv.

Plus did you read all the comments after that posting. Especially liked this one 

" Awesome... Telecom is involved. This is bound to go smoothly"

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  Reply # 839586 19-Jun-2013 16:22
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Benoire: They can only sell this to me IF they make it either as an application for Windows Media Centre, open source various api's or release a smart tv app. The whole purpose of the 10' UI was to make things easy to use, not go back to having to squint at a browser using a mouse from the couch.


That's the key. Not everyone is a geek, or wants to be. It needs to be "on the TV", easily.

 If that was via a Smart TV app, Apple TV app, WDTV app, or any other commonly used non-TV provider STB then that will be a viable option for Joe and Joanne Bloggs.

Via laptop to TV, on a laptop or desktop, tablet, that's not ideal by any stretch.

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