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  Reply # 1108433 14-Aug-2014 14:46
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I think the answer is below....Chromecast

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  Reply # 1108685 14-Aug-2014 21:27
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Silva123: Hey, new to this Forum, and looking for some advice...

So my question is... I currently own a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 and that does have access to the App which i've downloaded and it runs smoothly. Is there any way you can connect a tablet directly to a Samsung T.V? or even wireless? Obviously Samsung Tablets do not have an HDMI connection, which rules out that option.


Have a look at http://www.samsung.com/us/support/howtoguide/N0000058/14070/167478/UN32F5500AFXZA and see if you can get the screen mirroring that Samsung says is possible between their devices to work.

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  Reply # 1108687 14-Aug-2014 21:30
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Silva123: Hey, new to this Forum, and looking for some advice...

Good to see a indepth discussion on the EPL rights/PLP here...

Was a PLP Season subscriber last year, but only had a pretty outdated laptop, which wasn't the best viewing experience. Videos were choppy, and it struggled when viewed in full screen mode.

Now I'm reading about the Samsung partnership for the 2014 season... and I knew it would be too good to be true. Turns out my 2012 Smart T.V will not have direct access to the PLP App ( Just my Luck) And according to the bloke on 'PLP Pass' live chat' there is no plans to change this.

So my question is... I currently own a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 and that does have access to the App which i've downloaded and it runs smoothly. Is there any way you can connect a tablet directly to a Samsung T.V? or even wireless? Obviously Samsung Tablets do not have an HDMI connection, which rules out that option.

I just can't comprehend watching a full season on a 7inch tablet display.... :)

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated..

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Sean

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I can't believe that they do not have the app for the Samsung 2012 TVs.  They specifically stated that it was coming for the 2012+ range of TVs when they initially released their PR statements about the app.  Very disappointing if that is true.

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  Reply # 1108762 15-Aug-2014 00:49
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Ive taken a punt on one of these http://airtame.com.

 

Obviously more expensive,but being able to plug it into any hdmi port and send data to it from laptop (win/ios/linux) appealed enough.

 

 

 

All this drama about non delivered apps reinforces to me why the smart tv is a wrort vrs dumb tv and HTPC.

 

 

 

A.

 

 

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  Reply # 1108775 15-Aug-2014 07:47
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Benoire: 

I can't believe that they do not have the app for the Samsung 2012 TVs.  They specifically stated that it was coming for the 2012+ range of TVs when they initially released their PR statements about the app.  Very disappointing if that is true.


I just found that I can side load the Android PLP application onto my Amazon Fire TV box. the remote doesn't work 100% but with the aid of a wireless mouse I'm in business! 



 

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  Reply # 1108858 15-Aug-2014 10:13
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insane:
Benoire: 

I can't believe that they do not have the app for the Samsung 2012 TVs.  They specifically stated that it was coming for the 2012+ range of TVs when they initially released their PR statements about the app.  Very disappointing if that is true.


I just found that I can side load the Android PLP application onto my Amazon Fire TV box. the remote doesn't work 100% but with the aid of a wireless mouse I'm in business! 



 



Do you mean that The Amazon fire Box Picks Up/launch  The PLP App?

In general would you recommend the Amazon fire T.V box? good selection here in NZ?

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  Reply # 1108914 15-Aug-2014 11:24
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At least you can watch BBC Match of the Day highlights live through the Samsung TV Browser - straight after Mrs Browns Boys. Makes for a great morning in bed!

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  Reply # 1108934 15-Aug-2014 11:52
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DaveB: At least you can watch BBC Match of the Day highlights live through the Samsung TV Browser - straight after Mrs Browns Boys. Makes for a great morning in bed!



You Can? Thats Just Made My Day Thanks If True!!!

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  Reply # 1109371 16-Aug-2014 00:34
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I signed up this week. A full season subscription. Wasn't sure about the status of getting third party apps developed, but I didn't know they'd signed up Samsung as an exclusive smart TV partner - doesn't say it anywhere onsite. So I went on Twitter and asked about them for Panasonic TVs. Got told that "unfortunately @samsung are the only company willing to develop an app so far...". Okay, fair enough, so I looked into it over the past few days. I was under the impression that one could be developed for either the Panasonic TV or for something like XBMC, and away we go...

Then tonight I find out that they've signed up Samsung as an exclusive. They don't say it anywhere on the site. Of course, they mention Samsung, but nothing about no other apps will be available. So obviously their API is exclusive to Samsung and the mobile apps.

Kind of annoyed, I call them out on lying to me about other companies' willingness to develop an app and ask for a refund. Because basically, they lied to me. Sure, there's due diligence, but if you have to go hunting around the internet for 4 month old press releases from Samsung to find out it's an exclusive partnership, that kind of defeats the legal requirement that they're supposed to be giving you all the information up front.

I got told that "Sorry, but we do not offer refunds for change of mind. We have been very open about the fact that the app would only be available for Samsung TVs this year and you were more than welcome to check compatibility prior to purchasing the pass."

Of course, this isn't on the site and it's not in the T&Cs. There are no warnings that compatibility is limited because they've restricted it.

So they're not going to refund me. They're making me go to the Disputes Tribunal instead to get my money back.

Of course, the irony is that I could have got a week's trial for free using their current promo code, found this out and spent nothing. Instead I spent $150 in good faith and they're going to keep it because they don't think they did anything wrong.

It also guarantees I'll never be a customer again. Ever. I'm a huge footy fan. I'm even writing my PhD thesis on the Premier League. I write about exploitation and the rest of it (while knowing I'm exploited by people like Coliseum). But I would rather watch stuttering illegal streams for the rest of my natural than support this shoddy venture. I get the feeling they must be getting fairly desperate to recoup their investment, because when you cancel most entertainment services, you get your money back, even pro-rata. But not with these clowns.

If I wasn't $150 out and having to file with the court, it'd be hilarious.

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  Reply # 1109411 16-Aug-2014 09:36
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ckc: I signed up this week. A full season subscription. Wasn't sure about the status of getting third party apps developed, but I didn't know they'd signed up Samsung as an exclusive smart TV partner - doesn't say it anywhere onsite. So I went on Twitter and asked about them for Panasonic TVs. Got told that "unfortunately @samsung are the only company willing to develop an app so far...". Okay, fair enough, so I looked into it over the past few days. I was under the impression that one could be developed for either the Panasonic TV or for something like XBMC, and away we go...

Then tonight I find out that they've signed up Samsung as an exclusive. They don't say it anywhere on the site. Of course, they mention Samsung, but nothing about no other apps will be available. So obviously their API is exclusive to Samsung and the mobile apps.

Kind of annoyed, I call them out on lying to me about other companies' willingness to develop an app and ask for a refund. Because basically, they lied to me. Sure, there's due diligence, but if you have to go hunting around the internet for 4 month old press releases from Samsung to find out it's an exclusive partnership, that kind of defeats the legal requirement that they're supposed to be giving you all the information up front.

I got told that "Sorry, but we do not offer refunds for change of mind. We have been very open about the fact that the app would only be available for Samsung TVs this year and you were more than welcome to check compatibility prior to purchasing the pass."

Of course, this isn't on the site and it's not in the T&Cs. There are no warnings that compatibility is limited because they've restricted it.

So they're not going to refund me. They're making me go to the Disputes Tribunal instead to get my money back.

Of course, the irony is that I could have got a week's trial for free using their current promo code, found this out and spent nothing. Instead I spent $150 in good faith and they're going to keep it because they don't think they did anything wrong.

It also guarantees I'll never be a customer again. Ever. I'm a huge footy fan. I'm even writing my PhD thesis on the Premier League. I write about exploitation and the rest of it (while knowing I'm exploited by people like Coliseum). But I would rather watch stuttering illegal streams for the rest of my natural than support this shoddy venture. I get the feeling they must be getting fairly desperate to recoup their investment, because when you cancel most entertainment services, you get your money back, even pro-rata. But not with these clowns.

If I wasn't $150 out and having to file with the court, it'd be hilarious.

How did you watch it last season? You can still access it like that.

Their web site does say "Access on PC, Samsung Smart TV, Samsung tablets and phones or Apple iPhones and iPads" - so no mention of any other smart tv.

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  Reply # 1109414 16-Aug-2014 09:50
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ckc: I signed up this week. A full season subscription. Wasn't sure about the status of getting third party apps developed, but I didn't know they'd signed up Samsung as an exclusive smart TV partner - doesn't say it anywhere onsite. So I went on Twitter and asked about them for Panasonic TVs. Got told that "unfortunately @samsung are the only company willing to develop an app so far...". Okay, fair enough, so I looked into it over the past few days. I was under the impression that one could be developed for either the Panasonic TV or for something like XBMC, and away we go...

Then tonight I find out that they've signed up Samsung as an exclusive. They don't say it anywhere on the site. Of course, they mention Samsung, but nothing about no other apps will be available. So obviously their API is exclusive to Samsung and the mobile apps.
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While it would be nice to have a lot of devices supported, the range required is large, especially with MHEG-5 TV apps failing to get any traction.  Their website has several entries about being supported on Samsung TVs (separate debate about which models) but I don't see any implication that apps for other TV brands may be developed.

The fact that Samsung is exclusive may be annoying but I'm not sure it changes the reality of whether other brands would be supported even if they didn't have exclusive deals.  Unfortunately I think you had unrealistic expectations that models such as Panasonic might get future support.  It seems hard enough just to support the current range of tablets, desktop and Samsung models.

If you got the impression other apps were under development from a PLP representative then you may have valid grounds but otherwise I think buyer beware.  I think the whole Smart TV scene is still shaking down and you have been a victim of this fragmentation.

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  Reply # 1109416 16-Aug-2014 10:11
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what I don't understand is why PLP didn't develop the app themselves rather than relying on Samsung?  they would not have been locked in to the exclusivity that we currently have and would allow other manufacturers / models to be supported.  Seems quite lazy to me to be honest.  I know that Raven on here has developed an app for Samsung TVs himself for NextPVR so it is perfectly possible for this to be done and do high quality video from it.

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  Reply # 1109459 16-Aug-2014 12:55
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Thanks for the welcome! :)

I think they're desperate for money. But either I get my money back or I get the service. They're going to have to prepare a response, they're going to have to attend the district court, and even if they win, they're going to have to carry on providing the service because they don't have reasonable grounds to terminate. At least, I don't think making a claim in the Disputes Tribunal against them is reasonable grounds. :P In this case, for me, going to the Tribunal makes financial sense. For them, this is going to eat up any profit they might have made from my service. And if I lose, I'm obviously going to use it. I have alternatives in the meantime (and also a lot of work on).

I appreciate there's a bit of caveat emptor about it. But a few things about them spring to mind (and sorry if this gets a little long), aside from the fact that caveat emptor doesn't usually apply to supposedly reputable companies. I don't think you should have to do several hours of research to find out things they should be telling you up front.

First, bizarrely, the more you spend with them - the bigger your investment and the bigger the risk - the less rights you have. So if you opt for a monthly or weekly plan, you can get your money back, prorated in some circumstances even. But if you buy upfront, you have no chance of getting anything back. Not a full refund or remedy if the service doesn't suit or live up to promises (as the Consumer Guarantees Act says you're entitled to). Nothing. So weirdly, those paying less in one go, they're the people who PLP give more rights to.

The second thing is that, just as bizarrely, they state that the service is provided "as-is". This isn't up-front. This is buried down in section 15 of the TOS. So they're providing a service using a caveat that most people use when they're selling a car without a WOF. Using the phrase "as-is" basically suggests that they know from the outset their service isn't fit for purpose. And they also say in section 4 that they reserve the right to change the required specifications for delivery at any time, and it's your problem if your equipment no longer meets the requirements. So you can buy a year's subscription, they could change the requirements, your aging hardware might fall off the radar or your app might not be updated and you're suddenly saddled with a useless subscription.

They also advertise Samsung as having smart TV apps. But what they don't do is point to the exclusive nature of the deal and say that this is your only option. That means they're restricting use of their API to their own mobile apps and their 'preferred partner'. But they don't say this. When I got the reply from them on Twitter, they said that only Samsung were willing to develop an app. However, they all allow third party app development. And I pointed out that Panasonic encourage third party development but got no reply (and I'm not alone here, because when I did my research after they told me to piss off, I found a bunch of people who'd been similarly in the dark about the other brands). And there's the possibility of XBMC, or Serviio, etc. So they didn't tell me the whole truth, either by making it available on the website or over their Twitter feed. Only Samsung were willing to do it, they said - but the reality is that I think only Samsung were willing to pay them to have exclusivity.

This is all stuff from s36 of the CGA. There's a part about "the services would not have been acquired by a reasonable consumer fully acquainted with the nature and extent of the failure". They didn't provide people with enough information, there's unequal refund terms, they indicated in the TOS that the service may not be fit for the purpose advertised from the outset, etc.

Ranty part: Despite all the bluster and fanfare about how EPL fans would be liberated from Sky, they've done nothing of the sort. At least Sky was equitable in delivery. You've got a HDTV? Well done, you've got HD football. Now it's, you've got a HDTV? Well, okay. But you also need a computer or a tablet or a phone with a HDMI connection. And your internet connection needs to be able to stream 4500kbps uninterrupted for 2 hours. And you'll need a HDMI cable. And you'll need to move stuff around to watch it. Unless you buy a TV from our exclusive partners, because we've rigged you to not have any other choice but Samsung. But we won't tell you that we entered into an exclusive deal. And it's not going to be actual HD. It's going to be a low bitrate, lower resolution HD. Or you can watch it on your tablet's 10" screen!

They're doing exactly what Sky did, sewing up the market, only worse. Instead of just monopolising the content delivery system, they're working to monopolise the TV hardware required too - at least, if you want the viewing experience the rest of the civilised world gets. As a lifelong football fan, someone who grew up in Liverpool and steadfastly refuses to lose his accent, I'm tired of being treated as a product by bandwagon jumpers.

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  Reply # 1109465 16-Aug-2014 13:13
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......"someone who grew up in Liverpool"

Ahh that explains it. #selfpitycity

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  Reply # 1109468 16-Aug-2014 13:15
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Nicko19: ......"someone who grew up in Liverpool"

Ahh that explains it. #selfpitycity


Literally amazing how you can take an issue about equitable access to football and turn it into an ad hominem attack on someone you don't know based on a stereotype you create in your own head.

Well done.

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