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  # 869291 31-Jul-2013 13:45
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I suppose we shouldn't worry. Where not supposed to watch football on the TV remember...

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  # 869292 31-Jul-2013 13:48
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Benoire: Dororke, how did you find the rapid panning on the new stream at full screen on your monitor? I've got a modest 21" here at work and it was terrible, I'm yet to see anything in the stream that would make it better when running in full screen. This is another reason why they need to make the preview the maximum avaible stream quality as that would allow peoople to test in full screen on their devices. I'll have a go later on my 51" plasma but I can bet that it will look pretty poor.


I find it acceptable, and I use the word guardedly as it's not perfect and not what I had become used to; but it was certainly better that the old stream for rapid panning. I'm guessing this feed was recorded at 3Mbps and the other at 1.6Mbps perhaps. Anyone know? Just played it on the 50" plasma and it's on a par with the 3Mbps NFL feeds. So I'm really keen for the Colleseum guys to up the feed to 4.5Mbps since they use all the same infrastructure, so it should be an option I'd have thought. Anyone know why they don't offer it at 4.5Mbps - is it technical or financial?

 
 
 
 


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  # 869294 31-Jul-2013 13:50
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Dororke:
I find it acceptable, and I use the word guardedly as it's not perfect and not what I had become used to; but it was certainly better that the old stream for rapid panning. I'm guessing this feed was recorded at 3Mbps and the other at 1.6Mbps perhaps. Anyone know? Just played it on the 50" plasma and it's on a par with the 3Mbps NFL feeds. So I'm really keen for the Colleseum guys to up the feed to 4.5Mbps since they use all the same infrastructure, so it should be an option I'd have thought. Anyone know why they don't offer it at 4.5Mbps - is it technical or financial?


Both I suspect. Technical in that not all Kiwis have the ability to stream 4.5mbps, and it'll chew threw a data cap faster. Financial in that it'll cost more in the extra bandwidth required. 

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  # 869297 31-Jul-2013 14:00
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Dororke: I happened to have the old link still on my browser so I was able to compare the new sample feed with the old one side by side and can say that the new was much improved over the old. Increasing both to full screen on my 27" Dell monitor and hot keying between the 2 feeds, the new feed was again much improved. I was also glad to be able to see no glitches in the streaming indicating that I was able to download 2 feeds simultaneously without a problem. this augers well for the potential to watch 4 matches at once.

It's still short of what I had become used to with Sky HD but as an EPL fan I can say it's acceptable. Would love for the guys to consider pushing this out at 4.5Mbps. I would happily pay extra for an improved quality of feed. From my perspective I'm currently saving $500 per year having canceled my Sky sports subscription and the $10 per month HD thing. So switching to the $250 per annum subscription will save me $250 (should be more as I'm a Telecom customer and should be able to get the 15% discount through them tomorrow). I would be willing to part with some of that to up the feed to 4.5Mbps.

So how about Colosseum? Introduce an upgraded service for those that have the bandwidth capability and are able to afford it?



No way! It's already an extra expense and I'm not about to pay even more for what is already supposed to be delivered by coliseum.

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  # 869298 31-Jul-2013 14:00
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I think you'll find that preview uses their adaptive tech to stream the video, meaning that it will conservatively estimate your bandwidth and adjust the feed quality.  As such you will find that it is probably fluctuating 800 kbps and 1600 kbps (or looks like that when I compare it to the NHL platform which runs off the same platform.)

What the FAQ states is that you will also be able to force the quality.  So once you get a preview video where you can force the quality I'd recommend making an evaluation against that.

And stop jumping to conclusions, this is a new service in NZ so there will be teething issues (Sky TV had these back in the beginning)

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  # 869300 31-Jul-2013 14:02
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JarrodM: samsmith are you the same Sam from coliseum who answered the questions I emailed in?


I'm can't be sure, I've heard he is incredibly handsome though.

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  # 869302 31-Jul-2013 14:03
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  # 869304 31-Jul-2013 14:07
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voy1d: I think you'll find that preview uses their adaptive tech to stream the video, meaning that it will conservatively estimate your bandwidth and adjust the feed quality.  As such you will find that it is probably fluctuating 800 kbps and 1600 kbps (or looks like that when I compare it to the NHL platform which runs off the same platform.)

What the FAQ states is that you will also be able to force the quality.  So once you get a preview video where you can force the quality I'd recommend making an evaluation against that.

And stop jumping to conclusions, this is a new service in NZ so there will be teething issues (Sky TV had these back in the beginning)


Why doesn't it hit 3Mbps? Is the sample intentionally reduced quality? If so, that seems a poor decision when it's going to be a key factor for many peoples decision.

If it doesn't think there's bandwidth to deliver 3Mbps, surely forcing it to do so is only likely to lead to buffering issues?

Yes, it's a new service in NZ, but it's (apparently) using a deployment platform that's been proven overseas (see the NFL streaming as an example), and also has the advantage now that the general infrastructure around the country is able to support this sort of thing for the most part. It seems to have been implemented in a rush and without significant forethought about the expectations of the customers, or the implementation of the platform. The lack of planned support for SmartTVs etc is another hurdle, for example. It comes across as a cash grab followed by an "Oh crap, now we have to actually do something with it" moment.

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  # 869305 31-Jul-2013 14:08
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JarrodM: If you want to check out the 3000kbps here is the direct link http://nlds119.cdnak.neulion.com/nlds_vod/coliseum/vod/prev_sun_v_man_city.mp4/prev_sun_v_man_city_1_3000.mp4


Still pretty awful, especially the actual football bits

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  # 869307 31-Jul-2013 14:12
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JarrodM: If you want to check out the 3000kbps here is the direct link http://nlds119.cdnak.neulion.com/nlds_vod/coliseum/vod/prev_sun_v_man_city.mp4/prev_sun_v_man_city_1_3000.mp4


Well, it's a step up from the original sample, imo, but still lacking for what should be a premium product. As others have said previously in this thread, it feels like stepping backwards in time for video quality.

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  # 869309 31-Jul-2013 14:15
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Inphinity:
JarrodM: If you want to check out the 3000kbps here is the direct link http://nlds119.cdnak.neulion.com/nlds_vod/coliseum/vod/prev_sun_v_man_city.mp4/prev_sun_v_man_city_1_3000.mp4


Well, it's a step up from the original sample, imo, but still lacking for what should be a premium product. As others have said previously in this thread, it feels like stepping backwards in time for video quality.


First time I've looked at the samples, and admittedly it was on a 19" monitor, but it seemed consistent with the Americas Cup coverage off the TVNZ web site....of course there's a big cost difference.




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  # 869311 31-Jul-2013 14:18
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And here's the link from the first sample which is still viewable if you didn't see it.http://nlds119.cdnak.neulion.com/nlds_vod/coliseum/vod/plp_preview.mp4/plp_preview_1_3000.mp4

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  # 869312 31-Jul-2013 14:19
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Well that 3Mbps stream is terrible full screen at 1200p. players faces where slightly blocky, fast movement was poor.

I do not agree with this being a new service. Streaming has been around for a very long time, look at the quality of 1080p youtube videos for example. I would expect something of a much higher quality if the idea was to get viewers from Sky. I personally think that unless the quality improves for the same price, you'll get die-hard fans only.

Now if they could let me have my club only (at a reduced price), along with the highlights then I might be interested at the quality available.

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  # 869313 31-Jul-2013 14:20
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Inphinity:
voy1d: I think you'll find that preview uses their adaptive tech to stream the video, meaning that it will conservatively estimate your bandwidth and adjust the feed quality.  As such you will find that it is probably fluctuating 800 kbps and 1600 kbps (or looks like that when I compare it to the NHL platform which runs off the same platform.)

What the FAQ states is that you will also be able to force the quality.  So once you get a preview video where you can force the quality I'd recommend making an evaluation against that.

And stop jumping to conclusions, this is a new service in NZ so there will be teething issues (Sky TV had these back in the beginning)


Why doesn't it hit 3Mbps? Is the sample intentionally reduced quality? If so, that seems a poor decision when it's going to be a key factor for many peoples decision.


It's conservative because as the majority of the users of these platforms are technology challenged, making sure an uninterrupted feed at a consistent quality is higher on the priority list.

Inphinity: If it doesn't think there's bandwidth to deliver 3Mbps, surely forcing it to do so is only likely to lead to buffering issues?


My ADSL at home is borderline and often I end up at 3.2 Mbps, so the NHL stream can sustain 3 Mbps just.

Inphinity: Yes, it's a new service in NZ, but it's (apparently) using a deployment platform that's been proven overseas (see the NFL streaming as an example), and also has the advantage now that the general infrastructure around the country is able to support this sort of thing for the most part. It seems to have been implemented in a rush and without significant forethought about the expectations of the customers, or the implementation of the platform. The lack of planned support for SmartTVs etc is another hurdle, for example. It comes across as a cash grab followed by an "Oh crap, now we have to actually do something with it" moment.


The NHL, MLB, MLS, NBA and NFL which all use this platform don't support "Smart" TVs.  They do support mobile devices such as iOS and Android as well as other delivery methods such as Roku, PS3 and Xbox.  However to get the software for these you need to pay extra.  I'd imagine Coliseum are taking a measured approach over the coming months as demand is more certain.  It is after all a business and they need to ensure ROI.

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  # 869317 31-Jul-2013 14:33
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Does anyone know how to find the iOS App? Or when it is available, can't get an answer from Coliseum.

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