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  Reply # 870634 2-Aug-2013 12:30
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Dororke: and most people don't watch sport in HD anyway on Sky

Really? that does surprise me. Are there any stats that you know of here.


77% of Sky subscribers have Sky sports.  (~600k)

around 50% of sky subscribers have MySky HDi  (~400k)

of those 50%,  46% have either multiroom (free HD ticket) or opt to buy HD ticket. so less than 200k subs have HD access.

Therefore, at the most,  200k will have Sky sport AND HD ticket (it will be less than that since there will be some HD ticket holders who don't take sport, and only take movies, soho etc, or just multiroom with no additional channels), which leaves over 400k sports subscriber with either standard sky digital,  or with MySky but no HD ticket.

so at least twice as many people have sport without HD as have it with HD



All sourced from Sky's annual report for 2012, so this will have changed a bit since then, but note that HD uptake in 2012 was DOWN on HD uptake in 2011

http://www.skytv.co.nz/Portals/0/Assets/AboutUs/Reports/Annual%20Report%202012.pdf

"MY SKY HDi subscribers also
have the option of paying $9.99 per month (incl. GST) to receive SKY’s
HD channels, or paying $25.00 per month (incl. GST) for a Multiroom
decoder including access to SKY’s HD channels. At 30 June 2012,
15% of MY SKY HDi subscribers had opted to purchase the SKY HD
channels and 31% had installed Multiroom. This means 46% of
MYSKY subscribers were receiving HD services, down from 51% last
year. "

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  Reply # 870664 2-Aug-2013 13:13
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Hi there - our family are big spurs fans since day.. i've just purchased my dad a new laptop (HP DV6 - Intel i5 2.0Ghz, 4Gb, 720Gb, Win 7 HP 64bit) & HDMI cable so he can stream the football from that to his 42" Sony Bravia. We've just heard that tottenham games will be played on sky sports delayed coverage (cup games included) - how delayed will this service be (remembering we're 12 hours ahead of the UK)? We don't know whether to fork out for the premier league pass service... obviously would much rather watch the games LIVE as i'm always on my computer & nothing worse than knowing the final score before sitting down to watch the match..!

Is there anywhere on the internet I can watch the premier league preview/premier league world/premier league review shows for free? If so there would be no point going for the premium package????

Also - is the quality of picture from laptop/ sony bravia 42" tv via HDMI as mentioned above going to be good? We're not 'geeks' as such & don't know what settings to have for the TV etc so any help with that would be greatly appreciated ... this all seems very complicated....!

OK that's all for now thanks very much you lot are very helpful! :)



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  Reply # 870678 2-Aug-2013 13:27
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blessant: Hi there - our family are big spurs fans since day.. i've just purchased my dad a new laptop (HP DV6 - Intel i5 2.0Ghz, 4Gb, 720Gb, Win 7 HP 64bit) & HDMI cable so he can stream the football from that to his 42" Sony Bravia. We've just heard that tottenham games will be played on sky sports delayed coverage (cup games included) - how delayed will this service be (remembering we're 12 hours ahead of the UK)? We don't know whether to fork out for the premier league pass service... obviously would much rather watch the games LIVE as i'm always on my computer & nothing worse than knowing the final score before sitting down to watch the match..!

Is there anywhere on the internet I can watch the premier league preview/premier league world/premier league review shows for free? If so there would be no point going for the premium package????

Also - is the quality of picture from laptop/ sony bravia 42" tv via HDMI as mentioned above going to be good? We're not 'geeks' as such & don't know what settings to have for the TV etc so any help with that would be greatly appreciated ... this all seems very complicated....!

OK that's all for now thanks very much you lot are very helpful! :)




If you are unable to avoid the results until late afternoon then I think you'll need to go the PLP way.  I can as I'm well practiced in it and stay off the intrnet and don't associate with people who might ruin it for me until after I've seen it.   We don't know for sure but my guess is that all games that were are played in any comp overnight or in the morning will be televised by SKY by late afternoon the same day.   If you can avoid the results then stick with Sky as it's in HD (if you have the ticket) even without it, it's better by far than the current quality of PLP.  It will look pretty naff on your telly. My guess they will have to look at increasing the quality for PLP now though in reaction to the Sky announcement.


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  Reply # 870684 2-Aug-2013 13:30
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NonprayingMantis,

May be unscientific survey but where I work and people I know who have SKY, those that are/were thinking of getting PLP prodominately had the HD ticket. It seemed to be the more heavily you were into sports the more likely you were to have HD ticket and most people who would get a package like PLP would be heavily into sports and/or have the money to get HD ticket.

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  Reply # 870698 2-Aug-2013 13:36
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Maybe we should do an informal poll here. I have the HD ticket and sky sports.

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  Reply # 870700 2-Aug-2013 13:37
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Lust: If you can avoid the results then stick with Sky as it's in HD (if you have the ticket) even without it, it's better by far than the current quality of PLP.  It will look pretty naff on your telly.


Disagree.

We don't have Sky HD at our flat and the quality of Premier League Pass is better than standard Sky Sports.

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  Reply # 870701 2-Aug-2013 13:37
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I have HD and sky sports

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  Reply # 870702 2-Aug-2013 13:37
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Sky Sports with HD Ticket.

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  Reply # 870706 2-Aug-2013 13:39
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Lust: If you can avoid the results then stick with Sky as it's in HD (if you have the ticket) even without it, it's better by far than the current quality of PLP.  It will look pretty naff on your telly.


Disagree.

We don't have Sky HD at our flat and the quality of Premier League Pass is better than standard Sky Sports.


I'll disagree with that!  I'm able to view both HD/SD sky sports on my 51" Plasma, and the PLP 3mbps stream is far worse when scaled to the full res of my screen than the SD image from Sky, not by much, but the SD bitrate is higher than the stream from PLP too.

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  Reply # 870707 2-Aug-2013 13:40
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Disagree.

We don't have Sky HD at our flat and the quality of Premier League Pass is better than standard Sky Sports.


I disagree :)

The quality of Sky Sports from our non-HD second decoder is better than I get from the PLP preview, considerably.




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  Reply # 870713 2-Aug-2013 13:45
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Whilst I will admit Sky holds its motion better, PLP allows more detail into each frame, meaning you can see more detail easily e.g. players names, crowd faces. This is particularly noticeable when they present the graphic of the line ups.

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  Reply # 870715 2-Aug-2013 13:45
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NonprayingMantis:
Dororke: and most people don't watch sport in HD anyway on Sky

Really? that does surprise me. Are there any stats that you know of here.


...
so at least twice as many people have sport without HD as have it with HD.


Well I am quite surprised to learn that. Is it fair to say then, that of those 400k Sky Sports subscribers watching in non-HD, that if they were to watch the PLP offering, that they wouldn't notice too much in the way of a poorer quality viewing experience?

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  Reply # 870718 2-Aug-2013 13:48
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I think they'd see it as better when stationary but moving would look worse given the low frame rate and poor panning.

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  Reply # 870722 2-Aug-2013 13:49
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Sky sport and HD ticket.

(I cut sky sport in disgust before the end of the 3 news story about sky losing the rights two months ago and then had it put back on at midday yesterday)

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  Reply # 870723 2-Aug-2013 13:53
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Benoire: I think they'd see it as better when stationary but moving would look worse given the low frame rate and poor panning.


Low frame rate? Mediainfo tells me that PLP is transmitted at a variable frame of between 29.412 and 30.303 frames per second. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Sky Sports broadcast at 25fps?

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