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  Reply # 870893 2-Aug-2013 18:00
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MarkCerny: Ok, I emailed them and said I want the streaming in HD


I hope you also said, please.

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  Reply # 870905 2-Aug-2013 18:42
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HA ! of course I did. I was actually very polite.

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  Reply # 870992 2-Aug-2013 21:32
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RedDevil79NZ:I've done some research and the Premier League Pass is based on the NeuLion platform. They are based in the US and provide the same service for NFL, NHL to name but a few. You can actually try out the NFL Game Pass for free in New Zealand to get a good idea of how it all works (https://gamepass.nfl.com/nflgp/secure/schedule). The video quality of the NFL is actually very impressive but this is because it has an option for 4500 Kbps allowing a higher resolution and the frame rate is 60 frames per second. The NHL is also shown at 60 frames per second to keep up with the quick moving puck.

I agree the quality of NFL at 4500 is quite good but I don't understand the claim that NFL is 60 fps.  Using mediainfo on a 4500 segment I see:
Bit rate : 4 459 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Minimum frame rate : 29.412 fps
Maximum frame rate : 30.303 fps

I don't think that 30 fps or 60 fps is a key factor in the motion for the lower rate 720p streams (especially 3000 as used by PLP).  The encoder performance is critical and professional encoders come in a wide range of cost and performance.  We need both a sustained high bit rate to the home and high quality encoding to get a reasonable HD (720p) picture and I don't think 30 fps vs. 60 fps is the issue.

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  Reply # 871068 3-Aug-2013 02:57
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Hi guys i have subscribed to premierleaguepass but some reason i do not understand the streams only fill`s around half of my 22 inch screen its the same if i output the picture via hdmi to my 42 inch tv,the strange thing is that its fine on my 13 inch netbook but sadly this isn`t really an option.Iam using an nvida gts 250 graphics card in my pc and this is the only site ive ever had a problem with and i would be grateful for any advice thanks

dwl

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  Reply # 871095 3-Aug-2013 08:30
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jasonm13: Hi guys i have subscribed to premierleaguepass but some reason i do not understand the streams only fill`s around half of my 22 inch screen its the same if i output the picture via hdmi to my 42 inch tv,the strange thing is that its fine on my 13 inch netbook but sadly this isn`t really an option.Iam using an nvida gts 250 graphics card in my pc and this is the only site ive ever had a problem with and i would be grateful for any advice thanks

Does anything happen when you click the full screen icon at the bottom right? Perhaps flash player compatibility issue?

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  Reply # 871097 3-Aug-2013 08:38
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Thanks for replay strangely it works properly with opera and safari browsers so ive no idea why firefox,chrome and internet explorer would be affected.
dwl:
jasonm13: Hi guys i have subscribed to premierleaguepass but some reason i do not understand the streams only fill`s around half of my 22 inch screen its the same if i output the picture via hdmi to my 42 inch tv,the strange thing is that its fine on my 13 inch netbook but sadly this isn`t really an option.Iam using an nvida gts 250 graphics card in my pc and this is the only site ive ever had a problem with and i would be grateful for any advice thanks

Does anything happen when you click the full screen icon at the bottom right? Perhaps flash player compatibility issue?

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  Reply # 871192 3-Aug-2013 13:27
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jasonm13: Hi guys i have subscribed to premierleaguepass but some reason i do not understand the streams only fill`s around half of my 22 inch screen its the same if i output the picture via hdmi to my 42 inch tv,the strange thing is that its fine on my 13 inch netbook but sadly this isn`t really an option.Iam using an nvida gts 250 graphics card in my pc and this is the only site ive ever had a problem with and i would be grateful for any advice thanks


I have the same problem with Firefox but works okay with Internet Explorer. Contacted PremierLeaguePass and got a reply back telling me to use the settings at bottom of screen, replied telling them that didn't make any difference, never received another reply.

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  Reply # 871195 3-Aug-2013 13:33
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Flash often fails when you have multiple screens connected at different resolutions with actually going fullscreen on the second one with the right resolution. Youtube was still broken last time I tried to get 1080 out onto my tv when the laptop has a 16:10 panel at a much lower resolution.




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  Reply # 871416 3-Aug-2013 22:15
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Not sure when they did it but was just testing out the stream on my parent's computer and they have actual gameplay from the man city v sunderland game in hong kong for the sample stream.

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  Reply # 871450 3-Aug-2013 23:09
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just checked video on internet explorer and its a improvement but still bad could not watch that for a 1 1/2hours,checked on chrome as well and they still have that other rubbish playing.

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  Reply # 871452 3-Aug-2013 23:14
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happyone65: checked on chrome as well and they still have that other rubbish playing.

You need to clear your cache

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  Reply # 871455 3-Aug-2013 23:22
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thanks have just done that,its better to watch on internet explorer but they are both bad,i watching it on a 14"monitor.

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  Reply # 871461 4-Aug-2013 00:10
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So PLP replied to my email about Open Source, HD and other aspects of the service.

As expected, they do not intend to offer it on any other format bar ios/andoid apps and browsers with flash. They also don't intend to provide a higher quality stream at present, the most disappointing thing is that they still consider a 4.5mbps stream to be HD which it isn't.

Alas until they buck up their ideas and allow me to consume this content in the way I want (on the TV easily either via open source plugins, Sky NZ OR Smart TV Apps) and in HD (ideally around 6-9 mbps) then I will not be subscribing!

I really do feel they have missed an opportunity here to lead online streaming in NZ and I just hope they listen to the general feedback coming their way.

Chris

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  Reply # 871466 4-Aug-2013 00:30
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Benoire: So PLP replied to my email about Open Source, HD and other aspects of the service.

As expected, they do not intend to offer it on any other format bar ios/andoid apps and browsers with flash. They also don't intend to provide a higher quality stream at present, the most disappointing thing is that they still consider a 4.5mbps stream to be HD which it isn't.

Alas until they buck up their ideas and allow me to consume this content in the way I want (on the TV easily either via open source plugins, Sky NZ OR Smart TV Apps) and in HD (ideally around 6-9 mbps) then I will not be subscribing!

I really do feel they have missed an opportunity here to lead online streaming in NZ and I just hope they listen to the general feedback coming their way.

Chris


given they didn't build the platform themselves, they probably don't have much choice when it comes to what devices etc they support.  If Neulion don't support the device, then no chance PLP will

I just watched the stream of match footage.  It starts very grainy but on my VDSL connection quickly adjusts to the highest setting. It looks good on my 17" monitor, on a par with non-MySky quality (i.e. not HD, composite cable delivery)  It's certainly watchable


(4.5Mbps stream can be HD btw - It certianly is for Youtube, Netflix, )

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  Reply # 871467 4-Aug-2013 00:51
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I agree, anything can be watchable but I've had the premier league in HD since around 2006 and it's simply a step backwards in my opinion.

Sorry, yes 4.5mbps can be HD as the resolution is what defines HD/SD not bitrate, however I wouldn't consider 4.5mbps anywhere near the correct bitrate for 720p let alone 1080i. I've got an mkv with a resolution of 1920x800 that is 5.3mbps and I can see the blockyness in the dark areas and greys even with high level passing done on the rip...

I guess I'm just a bit pissed that I've lost something that was completely convenient; i.e. HD high bitrate with 5.1 sound, easily used on my telly with a remote. I could record the games I wanted and watched them when I woke up. Now I either have to watch them delayed but in the same quality OR a significantly worse quality in an inconvenient manner but when I want. If that's not fragmentation of the viewing then I don't know what is!

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