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  Reply # 878451 14-Aug-2013 23:05
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dwl:
NonprayingMantis:
gjen: He also said it's locally Cached ?? which is not true


It is, it will be cached at Akamai in NZ.

Obviously the original stream comes from the UK, but they only need to pull down 1 stream and then locally people will stream from akamai which will provide a good experience.
 this means you don't get 10,000 people all trying to stream the same thing from an international destination, which would be a rubbish experience.

There does seem to be a concurrent backup service on the demo stream which comes from the US when required but the vast bulk of traffic should be local.  It will be fascinating to see the range of experiences across the country from their local (or not so local) server.  

A minor correction about the stream from overseas where I also suggested only one per game but in fact it is one per resolution per game so probably have a 3000, 1600, 1200 and 800 (and for those desperate perhaps 400).  This total per game of about 7 Mbps is still trivial loading on the international circuit and I would expect any quality issues to be local.  NeuLion (the provider) make a point about delivering quality and having visibility of the stream performance and with paying subscribers the way queries are handled and resolved will help define the success of the service.  This is a milestone for TV in NZ as the sole (legal) delivery option and I'm looking forward to feedback.





Sorry but where do you think these servers are ? Akamai servers all in RSP's networks free but charge the people who own the content to store your content on them. So unless PLP have paid neulion to Distribute the content onto the servers then the end user will be getting the content off shore where they have enabled it.

The more CDN's they are on the more it costs them.

That's why a few pages back the server addresses are not in NZ....

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  Reply # 878455 14-Aug-2013 23:30
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gjen:
dwl:
NonprayingMantis:
gjen: He also said it's locally Cached ?? which is not true


It is, it will be cached at Akamai in NZ.

Obviously the original stream comes from the UK, but they only need to pull down 1 stream and then locally people will stream from akamai which will provide a good experience.
 this means you don't get 10,000 people all trying to stream the same thing from an international destination, which would be a rubbish experience.

There does seem to be a concurrent backup service on the demo stream which comes from the US when required but the vast bulk of traffic should be local.  It will be fascinating to see the range of experiences across the country from their local (or not so local) server.  

A minor correction about the stream from overseas where I also suggested only one per game but in fact it is one per resolution per game so probably have a 3000, 1600, 1200 and 800 (and for those desperate perhaps 400).  This total per game of about 7 Mbps is still trivial loading on the international circuit and I would expect any quality issues to be local.  NeuLion (the provider) make a point about delivering quality and having visibility of the stream performance and with paying subscribers the way queries are handled and resolved will help define the success of the service.  This is a milestone for TV in NZ as the sole (legal) delivery option and I'm looking forward to feedback.





Sorry but where do you think these servers are ? Akamai servers all in RSP's networks free but charge the people who own the content to store your content on them. So unless PLP have paid neulion to Distribute the content onto the servers then the end user will be getting the content off shore where they have enabled it.

The more CDN's they are on the more it costs them.

That's why a few pages back the server addresses are not in NZ....


If they're not in NZ then where are they?

I pinged a few of the feed and generally got sub 20ms. Typically if I ping abroad to Australia I'll get 30+ (Sydney ~35ms and Melbourne +60ms). This will use the direct fiber link out of Takapuna. The same SC link to the states increases to 80ms+. So wherever it is it's certainly a good ping.

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Reply # 878457 14-Aug-2013 23:38
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gjen:  Sorry but where do you think these servers are ? Akamai servers all in RSP's networks free but charge the people who own the content to store your content on them. So unless PLP have paid neulion to Distribute the content onto the servers then the end user will be getting the content off shore where they have enabled it.

The more CDN's they are on the more it costs them.

That's why a few pages back the server addresses are not in NZ....

I'm not sure where you saw server addresses that weren't in NZ.  Don't be fooled by names like nlds119.cdnak.neulion.com or a1702.g2.akamai.net - it is what they resolve to per user that matters.

However, it sounds like you have some knowledge of the commercial realities of Akamai hosting, altering what I thought would be happening.  As I said before for me on Telecom (with the [] new comments):
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PLP demo main stream - ping nlds119.cdnak.neulion.com = a1702.g2.akamai.net (219.88.186.97)  [this is a Telecom local address]
PLP secondary source - ping nlds119.cdnl3nl.neulion.com = cdnl3nl.neulion.com.c.footprint.net (8.27.254.126)  [this is US based but only occasionally used for a few segments]
All the Akamai are very local for me, quite possibly co-located, while the L3 is in the US. I expect the servers used could change daily so not sure the merits of worrying about a specific server and the exact server and path in use at the time will be the important bit.
<<<
The main stream was only a few ms extra ping time from the Telecom DSLAM for me.  Perhaps because Telecom is a partner they are carrying the content on their Akamai and others aren't?  I don't know, but would have thought that a general agreement across all NZ RSP Akamai would make sense.  Tim Martin said on the podcast that the bandwidth was costing them a lot so it would make sense that they have paid the money to get best NZ penetration if that is the commercial model.  I think it would be risky to only host on a few and risk national bottlenecks.

We could all try and traceroute to nlds119.cdnak.neulion.com and start placing bets at the TAB how far away this is on each RSP (noting this may change for the games)?  My money would be on all major RSPs hosting the content throughout their core networks, paid for by PLP via NeuLion if that is required.  The RSPs also don't want excessive national and international traffic.  If this content doesn't qualify for leveraging that Akamai deployment I don't know what will - 13,000 subscribers at 3 Mbps = 39 Gbps that is best kept local.

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  Reply # 878481 15-Aug-2013 02:09
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In the absence of an AppleTV app, once they get an ipad app out is there any likely difference between watching via AirPlay or just running an ipad to Hdmi cable straight to the TV?

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  Reply # 878492 15-Aug-2013 07:14
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jasonm13: With reference to Al Jazeera Sport online Iam using overplay smart dns for ease of use set up directly with my router but as already stated on the thread hola will work but its some what slower,the $135 covers you up until the end of May 2014 it used to be a year but Al Jazeera are bringing out a separate package for next years world cup either way its a bargin considering the amount of content they offer


Just wanted to ask, have you got Al Jazeera then?  If so, how much in your opinion does it look different to the sample stream by PLP at 3mpbs?  Given that Al Jazeera has other leagues and many other sports if I have to have an online stream, I'd rather have one that covers everything in good quality than just one sport.

I presume you can catch up on games that you have missed, or do you have to watch them live?


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  Reply # 878493 15-Aug-2013 07:17
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Yes i Have Al Jazeera it cost me $135 and to me the picture and choice of viewing is alot better than PLP

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  Reply # 878494 15-Aug-2013 07:18
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Is on demand and live viewing, i.e. I could get up at 7am on Sunday morning and watch a match that played overnight, or do I have to get up at 3am etc?

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  Reply # 878496 15-Aug-2013 07:21
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They have 16 channels streaming 24/7 they also have on demand i dont know if there will be premier league on demand sorry

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  Reply # 878521 15-Aug-2013 08:27
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Lust: In the absence of an AppleTV app, once they get an ipad app out is there any likely difference between watching via AirPlay or just running an ipad to Hdmi cable straight to the TV?


I don't believe there are any plans to get an Apple TV app.

The iOS app is with Apple and currently being curated. This will run on all iDevices and will have airplay built in.

I don't know if you can get an iPad to HDMI cable. Is there such a thing?

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  Reply # 878522 15-Aug-2013 08:27
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  Reply # 878523 15-Aug-2013 08:32
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So it sounds like its going to be the whole MUTV channel?

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  Reply # 878531 15-Aug-2013 08:44
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Not a big surprise but thankfully that now means I don't need to fork out for PLP (which I have no interest in). 




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  Reply # 878534 15-Aug-2013 08:47
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Hopefully we'll get some indication of the delay as if its too long then I might have to consider an online service.

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  Reply # 878537 15-Aug-2013 08:52
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The TAB was giving all members a 15% off code for the basic season pass (so it becomes $127.42)
I have two codes and no plans to use them so PM me if you want one

Not sure if they will transfer, it says in the email they wont but can always give it a try


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  Reply # 878541 15-Aug-2013 09:00
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Dororke:
Lust: In the absence of an AppleTV app, once they get an ipad app out is there any likely difference between watching via AirPlay or just running an ipad to Hdmi cable straight to the TV?


I don't believe there are any plans to get an Apple TV app.

The iOS app is with Apple and currently being curated. This will run on all iDevices and will have airplay built in.

I don't know if you can get an iPad to HDMI cable. Is there such a thing?


Yes, there is such a cable but I have heard that some media cant play through it due to the makers if the app disabling it.

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