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  Reply # 891495 7-Sep-2013 23:07
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I watch a lot of documentries and netflix has a ton. Ezyflix only has four right now when i checked, two I have seen. I also bail out of doco's if they are poor and that's why the subscription model suits - low risk of paying for a dud.

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  Reply # 891637 8-Sep-2013 15:33
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geekiegeek: Do people still buy shiny disks with media on them? :-)


Yep, I want to watch movies in the best image and sound quality I can get which means Blu-Ray on a shiny disc.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 891641 8-Sep-2013 15:50
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Such sad news. Nbr reporting that breaking bad has dissapreared from ezyflix. Presumably over some rights that somebody already owns......

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  Reply # 891695 8-Sep-2013 16:47
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This costs more and is lower quality than renting a round shiney artifact from a store down the road, that same store has to pay a large amount upfront for those discs, and worry about them being damaged, and holding enough stock of the new releases.

Also the buy prices on ezyflix are higher than a discount bin DVD or bluray of the same thing, it should be the other way around.

I really have little interest in "buying" a digital copy of media when there are subscription models available.




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  Reply # 891708 8-Sep-2013 17:20
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JimmyH wants me to cry a river for him but he can't even read properly as his last point was pointless to what I'd said as I said what if they weren't available. Selective reading I think but I can't be bothered trying to get the point across that if no one cares to try support services then we really should not be complaining about what's offered.


1.  I can read properly.

2.  I did respond to what you said. My understanding of your point, which still seems a reasonable interpretation given what you wrote, seemed to be that - if we didn't go with an Aussie company (that is overpriced, with an inferior range, but has added a .nz suffix to its business model) then we would all be worse off as we would have no option other than Sky or the video store down the road. I called you on this, because think you are substantively are wrong. There are plenty of other options for content. Right now they include overseas streaming services (Netflix, Hulu+), purchasing (local retailers like JB HiFi, Amazon et al - most of which are cheaper than Ezyflix's "own" option), and yes they also include Sky and video rental stores, as well as your public library etc. Plus, whatever launches next in a rapidly changing market. If Exyflix doesn't fly then hopefully the next attempt will look at why it failed, and address those issues.

3.  If the point I responded to wasn't actually that point you were making, what was your point?

4.  I wasn't complaining about what is offered. Between Sky and Amazon I have more content than I have time to consume, and I'm actually OK with the content options I have. If I want more, I will take steps to get more. I was, as many others were, discussing the new service, its business model, and whether it's likely to succeed.  I remain of the view that if it doesn't rapidly position itself more competitively in terms of content and price, it is likely to fail to get much penetration. This remains my view.

5.  You seem to be very upset with anyone who buys something foreign when there is a local alternative, even if it's overpriced and poor quality (Warehouse references etc). Fair enough. If that's how you feel, then make your purchases on that basis. I, and many others, tend to want to spend our hard earned dollars on what we feel the best value is, which is also a reasonable position. Plus, in the context of an Exyflix discussion, it isn't actually an NZ company anyway.

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  Reply # 891710 8-Sep-2013 17:24
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richms: This costs more and is lower quality than renting a round shiney artifact from a store down the road, that same store has to pay a large amount upfront for those discs, and worry about them being damaged, and holding enough stock of the new releases.

Also the buy prices on ezyflix are higher than a discount bin DVD or bluray of the same thing, it should be the other way around.

I really have little interest in "buying" a digital copy of media when there are subscription models available.


comparing prices to "cheap tuesdays" etc is not really appropriate, these cheap days are so your local video store gets business during the slow days, they're open at set times, they may as well get some business.  online never close, so never really need a "offpeak time" and they also dont have the problem with trying to rent something that is out of stock.   you have to way up the convenience of instant vs driving down to your video store (cost gas + time etc) to, you sitting on your couch browsing for movies and picking one.

personally I would rather pay $7 for streaming a movie, than $2 for a movie at a video store, I haven't been to a video store in years, and I doubt I will ever go again.  And I would rather subscribe for a fixed monthly cost than pay per view.  

Quality wise, I'm streaming 1080p 5.1 from netflix without issue.  And that quality is just going to get better and better.  I'm happy with that quality (and I bet most others are too), 720p for nz sites, its ok, still looks good (probably cant tell the difference for most stuff), but also needs 5.1.  But if they're only serving 720p now, I'm sure that will increase when they get more funding/subscribers etc.

I also wouldn't buy anything that I dont get a DRM free copy of a movie, I would happily pay for a downloaded movie, but it needs to play on anything, and not have DRM.  Owning a copy that you can just stream anytime you like, I don't think its worth it, you dont really own it, and dont control it in any way.

I really hope someone from quickflix/eziflix are monitoring these forums and listening to the feedback.  For the most part I think its constructive, most people seem to want to support local, but there some roadblocks currently stopping most of us.



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  Reply # 891850 9-Sep-2013 07:42
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NonprayingMantis: Such sad news. Nbr reporting that breaking bad has dissapreared from ezyflix. Presumably over some rights that somebody already owns......


Gee I wonder who has the rights. 




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  Reply # 891870 9-Sep-2013 08:20
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jtbthatsme:
How do you expect to actually get good services available to all in NZ if you're all so willing to give your money to overseas providers? Sure you can argue price & content is key but if no one supports these local services then how can they expect to offer what you want over a long established international offering.

Do you feel like this with regards to things like clothing buying things made from cheap markets like China is significantly cheaper than buying NZ made but I'd rather support a local supplier over offshore profits any day. When will people learn that without support then you're only doing yourself a disservice in the long run. What happens on the off chance that one day Netflix or other services like this actually become unavailable (for whatever reason) & you've not tried supporting local options what then?


Totally disagree. Its about time that New Zealand wakes up and comes to the realization that overseas providers are now in fact part of the competition.

If they don't, well then its the local companies that are missing out.

I will spend my money where I get the best deal and value/quality for my money. Its not always about the cheapest deal and thats why I don't buy into this whole "buy local" way of thinking. If the quality and the price of the product is better here I will buy here. I don't  buy the cheapest products (mostly china made) because they not always the best value for my money. I refuse to have a bleeding heart over local companies that don't take the initiative to compete with these international markets. Its there own fault.

But hey. Because we such a socialist state, we can continue pushing up the price of the minimum wages. Making it even harder for our local companies to compete.

The only real solution to all this mess is to not allow goverment to intervene with business and the economy. Privatize everything, stop forcing government policies on business, stop with the minimum wage, and keep government out of it. Local companies should be able to pay a wage of whatever suits them. If employees don't think its enough, well then work somewhere else.

/end of rant



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  Reply # 891909 9-Sep-2013 09:45
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Klipspringer:
jtbthatsme:
How do you expect to actually get good services available to all in NZ if you're all so willing to give your money to overseas providers? Sure you can argue price & content is key but if no one supports these local services then how can they expect to offer what you want over a long established international offering.

Do you feel like this with regards to things like clothing buying things made from cheap markets like China is significantly cheaper than buying NZ made but I'd rather support a local supplier over offshore profits any day. When will people learn that without support then you're only doing yourself a disservice in the long run. What happens on the off chance that one day Netflix or other services like this actually become unavailable (for whatever reason) & you've not tried supporting local options what then?


Totally disagree. Its about time that New Zealand wakes up and comes to the realization that overseas providers are now in fact part of the competition.

If they don't, well then its the local companies that are missing out.

I will spend my money where I get the best deal and value/quality for my money. Its not always about the cheapest deal and thats why I don't buy into this whole "buy local" way of thinking. If the quality and the price of the product is better here I will buy here. I don't  buy the cheapest products (mostly china made) because they not always the best value for my money. I refuse to have a bleeding heart over local companies that don't take the initiative to compete with these international markets. Its there own fault.

But hey. Because we such a socialist state, we can continue pushing up the price of the minimum wages. Making it even harder for our local companies to compete.

The only real solution to all this mess is to not allow goverment to intervene with business and the economy. Privatize everything, stop forcing government policies on business, stop with the minimum wage, and keep government out of it. Local companies should be able to pay a wage of whatever suits them. If employees don't think its enough, well then work somewhere else.

/end of rant


Both of these posts are inaccurate I think.

In relation to the first post, supporting or not supporting local providers has next to nothing whatsoever to do with us having nice things in NZ where content is concerned. The reason we can't have nice things in NZ is almost solely Sky TV, and I don't think any amount of supporting inferior offerings will change that.

The second post that suggests that overseas providers are now part of local competition is no more accurate. Sure a lot of us here at GZ use various methods to get Netflix etc, but to suggest that the incredible minority of NZ homes doing this constitutes real competition to local providers seems laughable. Outside of content markets I can see a case for that point of view, but not really in this scenario.

Given the case in hand has nothing whatsoever to do with minimum wages or government regulation, this thread seems an unusual place to make a case for privatize-all-the-things. 




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  Reply # 891976 9-Sep-2013 11:05
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reven:
comparing prices to "cheap tuesdays" etc is not really appropriate, these cheap days are so your local video store gets business during the slow days, they're open at set times, they may as well get some business.  online never close, so never really need a "offpeak time" and they also dont have the problem with trying to rent something that is out of stock.   you have to way up the convenience of instant vs driving down to your video store (cost gas + time etc) to, you sitting on your couch browsing for movies and picking one.


My local video store has the same prices each day of the week, they also open early and close late, they are also about 400m from where I live, so there is no transport costs (remember to add your internet costs that to your $7 movie cost)


reven:
Quality wise, I'm streaming 1080p 5.1 from netflix without issue.  And that quality is just going to get better and better.  I'm happy with that quality (and I bet most others are too), 720p for nz sites, its ok, still looks good (probably cant tell the difference for most stuff), but also needs 5.1.  But if they're only serving 720p now, I'm sure that will increase when they get more funding/subscribers etc.


I am also getting 1080p from netflix, although it is a lot lower bitrate than I get from my blu-rays, but the audio isn't that great, DD 5.1 at best.

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  Reply # 891984 9-Sep-2013 11:18
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jfanning:
reven:
comparing prices to "cheap tuesdays" etc is not really appropriate, these cheap days are so your local video store gets business during the slow days, they're open at set times, they may as well get some business.  online never close, so never really need a "offpeak time" and they also dont have the problem with trying to rent something that is out of stock.   you have to way up the convenience of instant vs driving down to your video store (cost gas + time etc) to, you sitting on your couch browsing for movies and picking one.


My local video store has the same prices each day of the week, they also open early and close late, they are also about 400m from where I live, so there is no transport costs (remember to add your internet costs that to your $7 movie cost)


reven:
Quality wise, I'm streaming 1080p 5.1 from netflix without issue.  And that quality is just going to get better and better.  I'm happy with that quality (and I bet most others are too), 720p for nz sites, its ok, still looks good (probably cant tell the difference for most stuff), but also needs 5.1.  But if they're only serving 720p now, I'm sure that will increase when they get more funding/subscribers etc.


I am also getting 1080p from netflix, although it is a lot lower bitrate than I get from my blu-rays, but the audio isn't that great, DD 5.1 at best.


just because you live close doesnt mean the rest of the population does; and can you rent a movie at 3:30am on a wednesday?  Or anytime on Christmas day?.

For me home phone + internet is a fixed cost, I pay the same regardless of what I download (assuming I dont go over 300GB, which I never have), so the cost for downloading personally is $0 (same argument you just made about 400m away).   Broadband is at the point where is is cheap, and with large data caps, arguing you have to pay to download is pretty pointless IMO.  In the last year or so, things have really changed, and ISPs are offering great packages.

most people I bet dont really care that the audio isn't as great as bluray, its at the point where its 5.1 and still sounds great.   And a lot of people still just use their TVs built in speakers.  I have DTS-HD 7.1 in my lounge, but playing 5.1 through netflix is great for me.

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  Reply # 891985 9-Sep-2013 11:23
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jfanning:
reven:
comparing prices to "cheap tuesdays" etc is not really appropriate, these cheap days are so your local video store gets business during the slow days, they're open at set times, they may as well get some business.  online never close, so never really need a "offpeak time" and they also dont have the problem with trying to rent something that is out of stock.   you have to way up the convenience of instant vs driving down to your video store (cost gas + time etc) to, you sitting on your couch browsing for movies and picking one.


My local video store has the same prices each day of the week, they also open early and close late, they are also about 400m from where I live, so there is no transport costs (remember to add your internet costs that to your $7 movie cost)


reven:
Quality wise, I'm streaming 1080p 5.1 from netflix without issue.  And that quality is just going to get better and better.  I'm happy with that quality (and I bet most others are too), 720p for nz sites, its ok, still looks good (probably cant tell the difference for most stuff), but also needs 5.1.  But if they're only serving 720p now, I'm sure that will increase when they get more funding/subscribers etc.


I am also getting 1080p from netflix, although it is a lot lower bitrate than I get from my blu-rays, but the audio isn't that great, DD 5.1 at best.



I guess there is a difference between comparing your individual situation and whether DVD is better than streaming for you specifically (and it sounds like it is),   and comparing in general whether DVD rental is better than streaming for the market as a whole.

Most people don't live that close to a DVD rental store.
Most people who rent DVDs regularly forget to return them and pay late fees (thats the only way DVd rental places make money)
Most people don't give two flips whether the audio is 5.1DD or DTS or whatever.
Most people don't use anywhere near their datacap and so watching, say, 5-10 movies a month, even in HD, isn't going to cost them any more than they spend today.


ETA:  dammit Reven!  

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  Reply # 892003 9-Sep-2013 11:59
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anybody else noticed that on the front page of Ezyflix, a lot of the movies on the shifting banner say 'digitalhd' yet when you click through to that movie there is no HD option available.

sheesh.

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  Reply # 892009 9-Sep-2013 12:04
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NZtechfreak:

Given the case in hand has nothing whatsoever to do with minimum wages or government regulation, this thread seems an unusual place to make a case for privatize-all-the-things. 


Its relevant because NZ's high minimum wages affects the prices and therefore the consumer. DVD rentals are expensive because demand is low, and paying staff is costly. I have no idea how the video shop down the road from me manages to stay in business and I wonder if they even manage to rent out more than 2 DVD's per hour (Now factor in the minimum wage with that)

There are other reasons apart from Sky as to why we cannot compete locally with companies like Netfix and Hulu.

You right. Slightly off topic but I was actually just replying jtbthatsme's post.

 

 

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  Reply # 892062 9-Sep-2013 13:21
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reven:
just because you live close doesnt mean the rest of the population does; and can you rent a movie at 3:30am on a wednesday?  Or anytime on Christmas day?.


I think you will find most people are asleep at 3:30am.  And Christmas day, yes my local video store is open on Christmas day.



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