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reven
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  #1179486 19-Nov-2014 12:51
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thats great news, I could keep netflix on my samsung tv and have access to the nz services (like lightbox).  would have to give up iplayer though....

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  #1179490 19-Nov-2014 12:57
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Interesting times ahead.

I think there will be some consolidation amongst the online streaming services, NZ (or many countries for that matter) simply can not sustain 4 streaming services.

Quickflix - first cab off the rank, widest device support for now
Lightbox - Most powerful so far given the backing of Spark, plenty of marketing support. Needs more devices - at least game console apps to be moderately accepted in the general public.
Sky - can't remember the name of theirs, but launching soon (?) - as with lightbox, would expect plenty of marketing support, devices will be crucial
Netflix - Probably has the biggest name brand recognition even in NZ where they aren't even here officially yet. Strong device support will also make uptake pretty simple.

It will depend alot on whether or not any of the incumbents have exclusive rights with the movie distributors or they treat streaming the same as they do their current "channels" -

Movie theatre channel has priority on film releases their local representatives believe will have a market and TV has priority for TV shows
DVD Retail and Rental have next bite at the cherry (around 120 - 180 days from theatrical release depending on various factors).
Pay Per View gets next go, similar timing to DVD retailers / rental channel, I think 30 days behind.
Subscription TV services gets it next, around 60 days after PPV
FTA is last

Whether or not Sky has exclusives specifically with the movie companies over content, or given they are the only PPV / Subscription service around, they just get priority by default I'm not sure.

I have noticed Lightbox advertising "exclusive titles" like Vikings etc, so three must be a window that these companies can buy, what that window is though I have no idea. I can't imagine the movie companies locking themselves out of future revenue channels for too long.

As for my friends  / former colleagues still left in the DVD rental industry, ouch. Another sandbag round the ankle of an industry trying to stay afloat....

 
 
 
 


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  #1179494 19-Nov-2014 13:01
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surfisup1000: This can only be bad news, there are no benefits to someone who already uses netflix US.

My predictions::: 

They may block NZ access to US netflix, possibly simply blocking kiwi credit cards would be enough to cause me issues. 
The NZ netflix product will have less content (due to other providers who already have content rights here). 
NZ netflix will be more expensive. 



I disagree - one benefit I would expect is that the Netflix client will get enabled on my LG Smart TV (and other region locked brands). I don't anticipate any other changes to how and 'where' I watch Netflix.




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  #1179495 19-Nov-2014 13:02
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timmmay: Since this is Geekzone... AFAIK Netflix runs entirely on AWS, the closest region is in Australia. Will they use the Sydney region as their primary data centre, or will they set up something in NZ? I wonder if providers will need to provision more bandwidth on the Southern Cross cable to Australia.


Go look at their site.. They publicly post all of their peering links etc. They even make all their CDN options publicly available.

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  #1179497 19-Nov-2014 13:06
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Ah yes, they put boxes into ISPs as well. That would probably reduce international bandwidth by a huge amount.

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  #1179504 19-Nov-2014 13:15
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I for one welcome our new content overlords.




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  #1179512 19-Nov-2014 13:22
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Hopefully this will spur Lightbox into action and support a few more devices.  I see it is now on Samsung smart TVs!  (Um, Yay?)

 

 
Netflix will likely be able to roll out with existing apps for Apple TV, playstation, Xbox, chromecast, Roku, Fisher and Paykel dish-draws etc.

 
 
 
 


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  #1179513 19-Nov-2014 13:23
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JimmyCorrigan: Hopefully this will spur Lightbox into action and support a few more devices.  I see it is now on Samsung smart TVs!  (Um, Yay?)  
Netflix will likely be able to roll out with existing apps for Apple TV, playstation, Xbox, chromecast, Roku, Fisher and Paykel dish-draws etc.


bwhaha. Actually now that you mention it, my Panasonic DVD player has inbuild support for Youtube, Facebook, Twitter and Picasa(?). If Netflix was accessible there, that'd be awesome.




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  #1179525 19-Nov-2014 13:49
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BlakJak:
JimmyCorrigan: Hopefully this will spur Lightbox into action and support a few more devices.  I see it is now on Samsung smart TVs!  (Um, Yay?)  
Netflix will likely be able to roll out with existing apps for Apple TV, playstation, Xbox, chromecast, Roku, Fisher and Paykel dish-draws etc.


bwhaha. Actually now that you mention it, my Panasonic DVD player has inbuild support for Youtube, Facebook, Twitter and Picasa(?). If Netflix was accessible there, that'd be awesome.


Yeah i have 3 devices that are already attached to my TV and *should* (theoretically) support Netflix immediately. It is that 'wife and kids' ease of use that, presuming there is a decent selection, will make this viable at home.

I would get Lightbox today if there were a friendly solution (and an existing remote) to navigate it. The UX for streaming services to be adopted by typical users cannot be underestimated in my view. 

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  #1179545 19-Nov-2014 14:02
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JimmyCorrigan: 
I would get Lightbox today if there were a friendly solution (and an existing remote) to navigate it. The UX for streaming services to be adopted by typical users cannot be underestimated in my view. 


I happily recommend Lightbox to non technical family & friends that already have an AirPlay capable iPad (after suggesting they shell out for an Apple TV), but find it harder to do so if they don't.

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  #1179554 19-Nov-2014 14:13
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dclegg:
JimmyCorrigan: 
I would get Lightbox today if there were a friendly solution (and an existing remote) to navigate it. The UX for streaming services to be adopted by typical users cannot be underestimated in my view. 


I happily recommend Lightbox to non technical family & friends that already have an AirPlay capable iPad (after suggesting they shell out for an Apple TV), but find it harder to do so if they don't.



 

Hey, I’m sure it works well, but having neither an iPad nor an Apple TV makes investing in that ecosystem an expensive proposition!

 

 

 

(Plus another HDMI port on the TV needed = means a hub/switcher, and yet another device to plug into the wall etc.)

 

 

 

So, a lot of palaver to buy-in if you are not already apple-centric!  :)

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  #1179556 19-Nov-2014 14:18
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surfisup1000: This can only be bad news, there are no benefits to someone who already uses netflix US.

My predictions::: 

They may block NZ access to US netflix, possibly simply blocking kiwi credit cards would be enough to cause me issues. 
The NZ netflix product will have less content (due to other providers who already have content rights here). 
NZ netflix will be more expensive. 



How can this be bad news? At least those who can't use a VPN or don't know how to use a VPN will have an option. This is good news.

They won't block access. They haven't done it in any of the markets they already have a presence.

It will have as much content as possible with the licenses. That's how it is in all other markets they have a presence.





 

 

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  #1179568 19-Nov-2014 14:35
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JimmyCorrigan: 

Hey, I’m sure it works well, but having neither an iPad nor an Apple TV makes investing in that ecosystem an expensive proposition!   (Plus another HDMI port on the TV needed = means a hub/switcher, and yet another device to plug into the wall etc.)   So, a lot of palaver to buy-in if you are not already apple-centric!  :)


Yeah, that was the point I was trying to make. If you already have the right ecosystem in place, it can be a good service. If you don't, it can be either cumbersome or expensive.


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  #1179608 19-Nov-2014 14:58
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And don't get too hung up on the US catalog as the "master"  sure for TV its the most comprehensive.  But for newest content you want access to the Neatherlands and central America.  They seem to get new release movies before Canada...then the US last.

I'm keen to see the pricing how it will relate to the $8USD or $12USD is it now for new subscribers?  Hopefully it will be competitive with local offerings...and like others I hope it will push the other companies to get their offerings on more devices - as the simplicity of using an apple tv, or roku for this sort of content - without having to buy a new tv or special bluray player or <insert other special device here> is enough to keep me off the others.....and this is coming from someone with a pc in the lounge.





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  #1179650 19-Nov-2014 15:34
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Personally I'd like to see both the TVNZ and TV3 OnDemand services take a big hit for being so arrogantly stupid in their SVOD implementations. They provide a free service so I have no problem whatsoever with adverts, but their long lived 'limited Samsung devices only' and refusal to do anything further deserves to get smacked for six.

Lightbox seem to be closely tethered to this way of thinking as well. They need to make some brave decisions and take the opportunity to cut loose to get themselves better established, otherwise they're going to see potential customer base simply ignoring them.

davidcole - I'm predicting NZ$14.99 when Netflix launch, rising to $16.99 after the first year.

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