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Reply # 1204490 27-Dec-2014 14:17
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joker97: yes i thikn it's pretty legal.

anyway, i thought we have companies that allow you to use these things - Orcon has global mode? So if people are joining in the droves and no one is in jail it must be pretty legal eh.


Ah, the Stephen Joyce school of definitions...

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  Reply # 1204499 27-Dec-2014 14:47
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think of it as parallel importing digital content



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  Reply # 1206643 31-Dec-2014 19:57
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either way its not lawful to use netflix via vpn?

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  Reply # 1206669 31-Dec-2014 22:03
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Ditching Sky and subscribing to Netflix is the best decision we made. I also subscribe to Premier League Pass and NFL Game Pass, and overall we're saving around $800 per year on subs. Using Uno-telly or Unblock-us etc you will be able to switch Netflix regions, too, which unlocks loads of content.

Do it man you won't look back :)

The only thing I miss is rugby coverage, but I can't justify the cost of Sky for 12 AB tests per year.

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  Reply # 1206670 31-Dec-2014 22:10
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freitasm: It's not illegal.



it's never actually been tested in court.  It seems to be not illegal.

The original question was whether it was 'legitimate'.  
Accessing US Netflix from NZ is not legitimate.  You are breaching Netflix Ts and Cs by doing it.

(that doesn't stop a lot of people doing it of course, just like lots of people also breach DVD Ts and Cs by ripping the content and uploading it to the internet, but that doesn't make it 'ok' if you are looking for legitimate sources of content)

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  Reply # 1206721 1-Jan-2015 09:35
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NonprayingMantis: The original question was whether it was 'legitimate'.  
Accessing US Netflix from NZ is not legitimate.  You are breaching Netflix Ts and Cs by doing it.


But it's not illegal in the sense it's not breaking the law. There's no law that says you cannot access overseas content. Content rating is only for retail imports and time limits for parallel import is only for those who want to retail the physical goods, not for individuals.

Providing you are not accessing objectionable content, you can access anything. Breaking T&Cs is a different thing.





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  Reply # 1206818 1-Jan-2015 12:33
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I think people are focusing on the wrong aspect, Netflix wont care about there Ts and Cs, they are only there so you cant complain when they change something. Netflix will care if the license holders (usually the movie studios are the first to jump) start to threaten to remove content.
And as we have seen with the likes of torrenting the studios are quite happy to go after individuals in other countries.

I cant imagine it will be long before the likes of Sony (although they may be a bit busy else where) start pressing to fill this gap and stop international customers. I would think the likes of SKY and TVNZ will be well on board with them too, as they pay high dollar to get first rights to content in this country and that's what a lot of people are circumventing.

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  Reply # 1206930 1-Jan-2015 17:48
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It's worth noting Netflix do already restrict access based on location, people just work around it, so I'm not entirely sure what movie corporations can pressure Netflix to actually do. Any further attempts to restrict access may very well be worked around also.

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  Reply # 1207117 2-Jan-2015 11:56
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NonprayingMantis: 
it's never actually been tested in court.  It seems to be not illegal.

The original question was whether it was 'legitimate'.  
Accessing US Netflix from NZ is not legitimate.  You are breaching Netflix Ts and Cs by doing it.

(that doesn't stop a lot of people doing it of course, just like lots of people also breach DVD Ts and Cs by ripping the content and uploading it to the internet, but that doesn't make it 'ok' if you are looking for legitimate sources of content)


New Zealand's copyright act explicitly permits breaking technological protection measures that are designed solely for the purpose of geological restriction.

Therefore, it won't be tested in court because that would make it seem to me to be explicitly legal.  However, Netflix is distributing content to you without a license, which is illegal.

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NonprayingMantis:

The original question was whether it was 'legitimate'.  
Accessing US Netflix from NZ is not legitimate.  You are breaching Netflix Ts and Cs by doing it.

(that doesn't stop a lot of people doing it of course, just like lots of people also breach DVD Ts and Cs by ripping the content and uploading it to the internet, but that doesn't make it 'ok' if you are looking for legitimate sources of content)


In this and other threads, you keep running the argument that accessing Netflix is illegal, and comparing it with a demonstrably illegal activity in order to make your point. Trouble is they aren't remotely the same thing. Parallel importing content from an overseas source, whether on physical DVD (say, from Amazon) or digitally (say, from Netflix). Is perfectly legal. Ripping content and uploading it is clearly illegal. They aren't remotely the same thing, and shouldn't be conflated like this.

It's using Netflix like this is no more illegal than parallel importing DVDs, books, CDs or car parts without a licence from the manufacturer. All of which are perfectly legal, notwithstanding the ongoing whining from the manufacturers, "licenced" local distributors, and retailers buying through the authorised supply chain.

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NonprayingMantis:

The original question was whether it was 'legitimate'.  
Accessing US Netflix from NZ is not legitimate.  You are breaching Netflix Ts and Cs by doing it.

(that doesn't stop a lot of people doing it of course, just like lots of people also breach DVD Ts and Cs by ripping the content and uploading it to the internet, but that doesn't make it 'ok' if you are looking for legitimate sources of content)


In this and other threads, you keep running the argument that accessing Netflix is illegal, and comparing it with a demonstrably illegal activity in order to make your point. Trouble is they aren't remotely the same thing. Parallel importing content from an overseas source, whether on physical DVD (say, from Amazon) or digitally (say, from Netflix). Is perfectly legal. Ripping content and uploading it is clearly illegal. They aren't remotely the same thing, and shouldn't be conflated like this.

It's using Netflix like this is no more illegal than parallel importing DVDs, books, CDs or car parts without a licence from the manufacturer. All of which are perfectly legal, notwithstanding the ongoing whining from the manufacturers, "licenced" local distributors, and retailers buying through the authorised supply chain.


I didn't say it was illegal (and I don't think I have ever said that).
I said it hadn't been tested in court, which is 100% absolutely true.   It's not quite the same as parallel importing because there is nothing to import (even the data is often hosted on local akamai clusters).  Whether the courts decide it's similar enough to fall under that particular law is yet to be determined.  So far, no studio has been brave enough to test it (I imagine the PR backlash would be hugely negative, win or lose)

I do it myself btw, using Netflix quite a bit.

My main point is that if you want 'legitimate' sources of content (which the OP asked for), then accessing Netflix is not one of them.  One thing that is not debatable is that by accessing it from NZ you are breaching their terms and conditions.  i.e. you are breaking rules by doing it, and breaching a contract you agreed to.



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  Reply # 1207475 3-Jan-2015 08:38
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There is also the breadth of content to consider. Once Netflix New Zealand starts local operation you will probably find out they don't have ALL of their catalogue available here - this is the norm in all other countries they offer services. In that case, the question would be "why won't people just get Quickflix, or EzyFlix now (or why not Netflix NZ when available March 2015)?"






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