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  Reply # 1227967 2-Feb-2015 18:24
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heylinb4nz: 
The only things I year for are - Pawn Stars
- True blood & Game of Throne (dam you HBO)

Short of getting a premium US cable subscription, im not sure we have an ideal and cost effective option in NZ to get all the shows and movies we want in one handy service.


HBO is coming out with a web service for their shows in the US soon, when that happens you should be able to use it here as well (through a geo-unblock service).

If you are desperate for HBO now, you could get the HBO Nordic subscription. Unotelly will make that work for you here in NZ. Its about 14 NZD a month (kr. 79,- NOK)

http://hbonordic.com/home

(At the bottom of the page you have "English" as a language option (if you need it, not sure if you do).




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  Reply # 1230159 3-Feb-2015 07:45
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Not one single article I have seen touches on how people access these services, just what's on them.

If Netflix opens up their app for our part of the world, that will enable it on pretty much any smart TV or connected bluray player p, plus ofcourse games consoles, Apple tv etc.

Lightbox are what, ipad air played to Apple tv, PS3 and samsung TVs or laptop connected via hdmi (happy to be corrected, haven't kept up with their app support).

Key point though is if you aren't easy enough for an average 3 year old to use (or tech phobic other half) then they will miss out on a large market. Netflix seems to have the advantage there.

All that's mising from stuff/herald articles is "this puff piece / smear campaign is sponsored by Lightbox"............

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  Reply # 1230207 3-Feb-2015 09:25
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sen8or: Not one single article I have seen touches on how people access these services, just what's on them.

If Netflix opens up their app for our part of the world, that will enable it on pretty much any smart TV or connected bluray player p, plus ofcourse games consoles, Apple tv etc.

Lightbox are what, ipad air played to Apple tv, PS3 and samsung TVs or laptop connected via hdmi (happy to be corrected, haven't kept up with their app support).

Key point though is if you aren't easy enough for an average 3 year old to use (or tech phobic other half) then they will miss out on a large market. Netflix seems to have the advantage there.

All that's mising from stuff/herald articles is "this puff piece / smear campaign is sponsored by Lightbox"............


This:

Key point though is if you aren't easy enough for an average 3 year old to use (or tech phobic other half) then they will miss out on a large market. Netflix seems to have the advantage there.

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  Reply # 1230208 3-Feb-2015 09:25
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If you are desperate for HBO now, you could get the HBO Nordic subscription. Unotelly will make that work for you here in NZ. Its about 14 NZD a month (kr. 79,- NOK)

http://hbonordic.com/home

(At the bottom of the page you have "English" as a language option (if you need it, not sure if you do).


Does an NZ credit card work for this? I'd been led to believe one needs a credit card from one of the relevant countries.


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  Reply # 1230235 3-Feb-2015 09:58
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sen8or: Not one single article I have seen touches on how people access these services, just what's on them.


content is king



If Netflix opens up their app for our part of the world, that will enable it on pretty much any smart TV or connected bluray player p, plus ofcourse games consoles, Apple tv etc.

Lightbox are what, ipad air played to Apple tv, PS3 and samsung TVs or laptop connected via hdmi (happy to be corrected, haven't kept up with their app support).
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to be fair,  those devices probably cover the majority of the population. Assuming they get another 2-3 devices out in the next 3 months (let's say Chromecast, Xbox, Sony Smart TVs) then that will cover almost everybody. (disclaimer: I haven't seen the roadmap, so I don't know what's next, I'm just guessing based on the obvious strategy of adding devices based on how many are out there in the market)

Whilst Netflix will still have 'more' devices, the ones that Lighbox are missing will be relatively niche and only reduce the addressable market by a very small amount.

e.g. Samsung and Sony have a huge majority of the smart TV market. other manufacturers like panasonic and LG are relatively tiny.  Samsung also have the vast majority of the Android tablet market. Roku boxes aren't even available here to buy from a store, so hardly anybody will have them, Wii U is waaay less popular than Playstation or Xbox etc etc


Key point though is if you aren't easy enough for an average 3 year old to use (or tech phobic other half) then they will miss out on a large market. Netflix seems to have the advantage there.



My 3 year old daughter uses Lightbox on the ipad with no problem.  She can even airplay to the TV.
My wife uses it on the PS4. (she's not a gamer).

It's pretty easy to use.

So yeah, Netflix has an advantage when it comes to devices, but I don't think it's as massive as you might think  (the Geekzone community probably has a skew towards the more niche devices - like Roku, WD Live etc, whereas the average Joe is far more likely to own a Samsung Tv or a Playstation 3)





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  Reply # 1230236 3-Feb-2015 10:00
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I disagree. Its not as easy to use AirPay as it is to use a remote control for Apple TV or Roku etc. That's what people are used to. The App needs to be on those devices. 

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  Reply # 1230242 3-Feb-2015 10:07
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Airplay is not the ideal way of doing it - it ties up your iPad (there is no iPhone/iPod Touch app I don't think), and you need two devices (AppleTV and iPad).

I can't see Sony Smart TV coming soon - I think Samsung will have locked that up for a while.

They need to get Chromecast going. They need to get Xbox going. They need an App for AppleTV. If they can get those three, most people will be covered, then they can get the other Smart TV/Android apps developed waiting for when the Samsung (I assume) exclusive ends.

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  Reply # 1230255 3-Feb-2015 10:08
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myopinion: I disagree. Its not as easy to use AirPay as it is to use a remote control for Apple TV or Roku etc. That's what people are used to. The App needs to be on those devices. 


It was easy enough for my in-laws (both extremely non-technical) to fall in love with Lightbox. Granted, I prefer to use the PS3/PS4 apps now that they're available, but iPad/Airplay is more than workable if you already have the required hardware (or an iPad, as the ATV is reasonably cheap).

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  Reply # 1230257 3-Feb-2015 10:09
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myopinion: I disagree. Its not as easy to use AirPay as it is to use a remote control for Apple TV or Roku etc. That's what people are used to. The App needs to be on those devices. 


for me yes, much more convenient to use the remote. (but then again I use the PS4 app for the big screen anyway, not Airplay, so I just use that)

For my 3 year old,  she actually prefers using a touch interface - touching the specific content she wants on the ipad to make it appear on the TV.  She can't use the Apple TV remote at all.  It also means she can just watch on the ipad whilst I do something else on the TV

My 5 year old can sort of use the apple TV remote when she just needs to select from a list of stuff, but she sometimes gets stuck if she presses the wrong button




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  Reply # 1230258 3-Feb-2015 10:12
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Netflix is the leader because it understood that the app needs to be on every device. It is a massive advantage and I can't see Lightbox/Quickflix competing in the long run, without doing this. 

To quote above "They need to get Chromecast going. They need to get Xbox going. They need an App for AppleTV" etc etc.

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  Reply # 1230271 3-Feb-2015 10:16
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Just a note on Apple TV apps and the notion that it is "invite only" because I don't think it is as much now as just recently in Australia they got two new apps one for Cricket Australia which has highlights of games and one for TenPlay which is the on demand platform for channel ten.

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myopinion: Netflix is the leader because it understood that the app needs to be on every device. It is a massive advantage and I can't see Lightbox/Quickflix competing in the long run, without doing this. 

To quote above "They need to get Chromecast going. They need to get Xbox going. They need an App for AppleTV" etc etc.


Agree on the last part about adding xbox etc, but my point is that it doesn't really need to be on every device.  It needs to be on devices that people have. 

Being on a device that virtually nobody owns in NZ is only a very very tiny advantage.  (and, assuming you have to spend money developing the app, it would actually be a disadvantage because of the opportunity cost)

Take Roku for example. No major store in NZ stocks it AFAIK, and it can only be imported.  So I'd be pretty surprised if there were more than 2,000 Roku boxes in NZ households (vs the hundreds of thousands of PS3s and Samsung Smart Tvs)
So the advantage for any service in NZ being on Roku is only relevant for those 2,000 houses. And not really relevant for anybody else.  (and most of them will already have a Netflix USA subscription too)
People don't really care if a service is available on a device they don't own.

(and note that quickflix actually has a pretty good range of devices, but because the content is so weak they are doing terribly.)




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  Reply # 1230277 3-Feb-2015 10:31
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(and note that quickflix actually has a pretty good range of devices, but because the content is so weak they are doing terribly.)


It's not just content that killed quickflix for us (although that was a not insignificant part). But the quality of their delivery solution (we were using the PS3 app) was terrible. Picture quality was below SD resolution, and one of the movies we chose to watch didn't have the expected subtitles, meaning we missed out on large portions of the dialog in scenes involving miscommunications between two characters speaking totally different languages. I know it wasn't an intended artistic choice of this movie, as we've watched & enjoyed those scenes before. 

Lightbox for us has pretty good quality, with a picture that rivals Netflix. The audio sometimes will have the occasional spike in volume, but that seems to be related to when the stream is struggling a bit, and doesn't happen enough to be problematic for us.

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  Reply # 1230307 3-Feb-2015 11:02
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+1 for lack of lightbox apps.

No Roku
No Panasonic
No WDTV

So no love in the lounge.

I am sure Samsung and Sony have massive market share - but they are far from comprehensive.

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