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  # 1430620 18-Nov-2015 20:08
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If you are worried you could always send IRD the GST on the $12 (=$1.80) in the post each month, in cash (which is legal tender), with a letter stating that you are doing the right thing by not dodging GST and paying what you owe, and ask for a receipt each time.

Yes I'm being silly, but only slightly. Whether they bank the money (which will probably cost them $50+ in admin each time) or tell you to stop, you will then have cast iron proof that you tried to pay the GST. Ergo, if they try to ping people for tax avoidance later, you can say you were doing it for geoblocking and not tax avoidance and the produce proof you tried to pay. Which should be enough for the judge.

Plus it would be a useful way of getting rid of those 20 cent and 10 cent coins that tend to accumulate in pockets over time.

(Plus, if done on a large scale, it would also be amusing to see how IRD tried to deal with tens of thousands of cash payments of less than $2 a month, all of which had to be recorded, banked, accounted for and receipted tongue-out)


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  # 1431074 19-Nov-2015 12:27
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yeah but forget one month and they'll get back at you by adding penalties and interest. Before you know it will be up $5 million like that accountant

 
 
 
 


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  # 1431091 19-Nov-2015 13:19
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elpenguino: yeah but forget one month and they'll get back at you by adding penalties and interest. Before you know it will be up $5 million like that accountant


It's actually 100x more than that. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11547736 




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  # 1431094 19-Nov-2015 13:22
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You mean you will pay $500 million for not paying your Netflix tax?

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  # 1431108 19-Nov-2015 13:39
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elpenguino: yeah but forget one month and they'll get back at you by adding penalties and interest. Before you know it will be up $5 million like that accountant


It's actually 100x more than that. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11547736 


The only relevance of that article is that it concerns IRD




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  # 1431157 19-Nov-2015 14:12
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freitasm: 

But I still think it's a private industry movement hiding behind the "good for everyone".




Of course it is, but that is often the case with most laws. They often have powerful lobbies behind them in some form or other. You just have to look at when councils redo their district plans, at all the various lobby groups that come out of the woodwork to oppose changes.

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  # 1431174 19-Nov-2015 14:30
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I have no objection to paying GST on any item or service that I import.

I don't believe the IRD will go after anyone who has an overseas account with a content provider.  The consumer isn't their target, the seller is.

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  # 1431262 19-Nov-2015 16:59
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MikeAqua: I have no objection to paying GST on any item or service that I import.

I don't believe the IRD will go after anyone who has an overseas account with a content provider.  The consumer isn't their target, the seller is.



But OTOH they can catch/threaten me - can they threaten someone like Apple?

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  # 1431279 19-Nov-2015 17:31
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MikeAqua: I have no objection to paying GST on any item or service that I import.

I don't believe the IRD will go after anyone who has an overseas account with a content provider.  The consumer isn't their target, the seller is.



But OTOH they can catch/threaten me - can they threaten someone like Apple?


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  # 1431612 20-Nov-2015 10:50
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Long answer -Not  very likely

As consumers we are not responsible for the tax status or treatment of the goods and services we acquire.

If you go to shop a and buy goods, it is presumed to be inclusive of all taxes and shop a is liable to the IRD to remit those taxes on agreed terms (usually bi-monthly for GST). If the shop does or doesn't do that, then thats between the shop and the Government, not the consumer.

If you go to shop A and make a deal with them that you will pay in cash so that they don't have to receipt the goods and then avoid paying taxes, could the IRD then come to you as a party to tax evasion? Questionable, very very difficult for them to prove and I suspect something they would not try and test. Even then, it is still the legal responsibility of the income earning entity to declare all income and they would ultimately be the easier (and most likely) target for the IRD.

For the IRD to come after a consumer they would have to prove intent, that you used overseas providers for the purpose of evading taxes. Given that the most common use for using DNS / overseas based companies is for superior content and not to try and save $1.50 in GST, I can't see that argument holding up.

Then there is the whole cost / benefit thing to consider. Even at public servants wages in the IRD, is it really a sound allocation of resources spending anytime whatsoever looking into overseas transactions, chasing $15-20 in missing tax for a case that they would have difficulty proving?

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  # 1434135 24-Nov-2015 21:24
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freitasm: And NZ Post would add its own $20 fee on top of everything else, because as I mentioned before - someone needs to collect, catalog, charge, store while in transit, etc, etc...


I'm sure they will have some way to use this to make youshop better than the other re-shippers. Anti-competitive much?




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  # 1618225 27-Aug-2016 09:00
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And so it begins. SKype (Microsoft, ironically) sent out this today:

 

 

New Zealand GST changes

 

In order to meet recent changes to New Zealand tax requirements, Skype will be required to include the Goods and Services Tax (GST) for customers in New Zealand.

 

What's changing?

 

From 1st October 2016, Skype will start charging the New Zealand GST rate of 15% on all purchases of Skype paid products.

 

How does this impact my recurring Skype subscription?

 

If you have a recurring Skype subscription, after 1st October 2016, the subscription price will change to include the GST rate of 15%.

 

Example of how a price of product will change with a GST rate of 15%:

 

  • Before 1st October 2016, a subscription costs USD 6.99 (no GST is charged). 
  • After 1st October 2016, the same subscription will cost USD 8.04 (USD 6.99 subscription plus USD 1.05 GST at 15%).

If you do not agree with this change, you can cancel your subscription prior to 1st October 2016 by signing into your account. Terms apply.

 

Does this impact the cost of Pay As You Go (PAYG) rates?

 

Yes. From 1st October 2016, PAYG calling rates will include a GST rate of 15%.

 

Example of PAYG rates changes:

 

  • Before 1st October 2016, the rate of a PAYG call to the U.S. is ¢2.3/min 
  • After 1st October 2016, the rate of the same call will be ¢2.6/min

Have we got your correct address?

 

You are receiving this email because Skype determines that you are eligible to pay New Zealand GST based on your billing address. To make sure you're paying the correct GST rate, please ensure your billing address is correct by updating your account details.

 

For more information about this GST rate change, please read this FAQ.

 

Skype

 





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  # 1618236 27-Aug-2016 09:36
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freitasm:

 

And so it begins. SKype (Microsoft, ironically) sent out this today:

 

 

New Zealand GST changes

 

In order to meet recent changes to New Zealand tax requirements, Skype will be required to include the Goods and Services Tax (GST) for customers in New Zealand.

 

 

 

I got this as well.  I don't feel good about it.  That's not to say I am against GST being charged, what makes me feel uncomfortable about it is that I suspect they are not also paying tax on their earnings on NZ business?  It seems to me like one should go hand in hand with the other.


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  # 1618242 27-Aug-2016 09:38
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freitasm:

 

And so it begins. SKype (Microsoft, ironically) sent out this today:

 

 

New Zealand GST changes

 

In order to meet recent changes to New Zealand tax requirements, Skype will be required to include the Goods and Services Tax (GST) for customers in New Zealand.

 

 

 

I got this as well.  I don't feel good about it.  That's not to say I am against GST being charged, what makes me feel uncomfortable about it is that I suspect they are not also paying tax on their earnings on NZ business?  It seems to me like one should go hand in hand with the other.

 

 

That's why I said "Microsoft, ironically" because we know the large software companies end up sending revenues to Ireland or other countries to avoid paying local taxes.

 

This is the whole problem I have with this move by the government. They have no problems taxing 15% on electronic services from the citizenry but do nothing on large corporations that in total send billions of dollars to other countries to avoid paying local taxes.





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