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  # 1473332 17-Jan-2016 18:49
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I think part of the issue is some providers are buying exclusive rights, which I presume they pay more for. Exclusive rights though create monopolies. I think the easy way around it, would be to outlaw exclusive rights agreements in NZ. If all providers were able to buy the content they wanted, and there was no exclusive rights to show that content, so multiple providers could show it, then that would create a more level playing field. It should also be better for consumers, as they then wouldn't need 5 different providers for their content, they may only need 2. Part of the problem in NZ, is we had one main player who used to have most of the content, meaning noone could compete. They do still have almost all the popular sport in NZ, but overtime that may change as online streaming gains more of a foothold.

 

Maybe the solution is what is happening in the US and UK. But NZ is a far smaller market, and can only sustain a few companies in this market.

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  # 1473333 17-Jan-2016 18:57
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mattwnz: I think part of the issue is some providers are buying exclusive rights, which I presume they pay more for. Exclusive rights though create monopolies. I think the easy way around it, would be to outlaw exclusive rights agreements in NZ. If all providers were able to buy the content they wanted, and there was no exclusive rights to show that content, so multiple providers could show it, then that would create a more level playing field. It should also be better for consumers, as they then wouldn't need 5 different providers for their content, they may only need 2. Part of the problem in NZ, is we had one main player who used to have most of the content, meaning noone could compete. They do still have almost all the popular sport in NZ, but overtime that may change as online streaming gains more of a foothold. Maybe the solution is what is happening in the US and UK. But NZ is a far smaller market, and can only sustain a few companies in this market.

 

 

 

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  # 1473337 17-Jan-2016 19:02
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So why doesn't TV One sell the rights to its programming separately to Auckland, Christchurch and Wellington? Makes just as much sense.

 

 




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mattwnz: I think part of the issue is some providers are buying exclusive rights, which I presume they pay more for. Exclusive rights though create monopolies. I think the easy way around it, would be to outlaw exclusive rights agreements in NZ. If all providers were able to buy the content they wanted, and there was no exclusive rights to show that content, so multiple providers could show it, then that would create a more level playing field. It should also be better for consumers, as they then wouldn't need 5 different providers for their content, they may only need 2. Part of the problem in NZ, is we had one main player who used to have most of the content, meaning noone could compete. They do still have almost all the popular sport in NZ, but overtime that may change as online streaming gains more of a foothold. Maybe the solution is what is happening in the US and UK. But NZ is a far smaller market, and can only sustain a few companies in this market.

 

 

 

So you'd like to force Netflix to sell rights to its own exclusive content to Lightbox et al??   And the premium that Netflix paid for exclusive streaming rights to the likes of Gotham, How to Get Away with Murder etc.....  redundant?

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  # 1473342 17-Jan-2016 19:22
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MikeB4:  I believe the rights owners should be free to sell their rights as they see fit be multiple buyers or sole rights.
    In the ideal world yes, and it may work in big markets with big populations. But NZ is a tiny market, and as consumers, we tend to pay a lot more for things than overseas as a result, because of a lack of competition in areas. eg Super Markets, Building supplies, Mobile phone services prior to 2 degrees entering the market.  We do have laws that at least tried to prevent monopolies, and monopolistic behavior. You could say that telecom prior to unbundling, were free to run their business how they wanted and sell services to who they wanted at the price they wanted, but they got regulated for a reason.

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  # 1473345 17-Jan-2016 19:53
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mattwnz:
MikeB4:  I believe the rights owners should be free to sell their rights as they see fit be multiple buyers or sole rights.
    In the ideal world yes, and it may work in big markets with big populations. But NZ is a tiny market, and as consumers, we tend to pay a lot more for things than overseas as a result, because of a lack of competition in areas. eg Super Markets, Building supplies, Mobile phone services prior to 2 degrees entering the market.  We do have laws that at least tried to prevent monopolies, and monopolistic behavior. You could say that telecom prior to unbundling, were free to run their business how they wanted and sell services to who they wanted at the price they wanted, but they got regulated for a reason.

 

The studios don't care if NZ is a small market, they sell for the lowest cost and highest return knowing that the returns and market are rounding errors. They deal with Netflix US and that's the extent of their dealings.

 

I also believe we would not Netflix yet if it were not for our larger neighbor.

 

 




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  # 1473347 17-Jan-2016 19:58
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MikeB4:
mattwnz:
MikeB4:  I believe the rights owners should be free to sell their rights as they see fit be multiple buyers or sole rights.
    In the ideal world yes, and it may work in big markets with big populations. But NZ is a tiny market, and as consumers, we tend to pay a lot more for things than overseas as a result, because of a lack of competition in areas. eg Super Markets, Building supplies, Mobile phone services prior to 2 degrees entering the market.  We do have laws that at least tried to prevent monopolies, and monopolistic behavior. You could say that telecom prior to unbundling, were free to run their business how they wanted and sell services to who they wanted at the price they wanted, but they got regulated for a reason.
The studios don't care if NZ is a small market, they sell for the lowest cost and highest return knowing that the returns and market are rounding errors. They deal with Netflix US and that's the extent of their dealings. I also believe we would not Netflix yet if it were not for our larger neighbor.  

 

 

 

But is NZ better off now because we have a local version of Netflix. Is Australia as affected by this in terms of the content they have available for free? I believe  much of the sport in Australia is available free to air, unlike in NZ where most is with one provider. People got the US version in NZ before using VPNs, and had full access to all the programs. Would Netflix be planning on blocking it in NZ, if they didn't provide a NZ version? I would think not, as then they wouldn't have any NZ customers at all.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1473349 17-Jan-2016 20:08
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MikeB4:
I believe the rights owners should be free to sell their rights as they see fit be multiple buyers or sole rights.


Yep. That's fine. So long as consumers have the reciprocal right to purchase the same content from multiple providers at the best price as they see fit i.e. not hobbled by artificial geoblocks and antiquated regional restrictions.

[Edited for clarity of meaning that the consumer should be able to shop for the same content across multiple providers a la most tangible goods.]

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Netflix (via Unotelly) just stopped working on our Sony Android TV, rebooted router + cable modem and no diff.

 

However tried our older Sony home theater that has Netflix and still works.

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  # 1473354 17-Jan-2016 20:20
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MikeB4:
I believe the rights owners should be free to sell their rights as they see fit be multiple buyers or sole rights.


Yep. That's fine. So long as consumers have the reciprocal right to purchase the content from multiple providers at the best price as they see fit i.e. not hobbled by artificial geoblocks and antiquated regional restrictions.

 

 

 

You do have content available from multiple providers, not necessarily the content.




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  # 1473382 17-Jan-2016 20:41
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DjShadow: Netflix (via Unotelly) just stopped working on our Sony Android TV, rebooted router + cable modem and no diff. However tried our older Sony home theater that has Netflix and still works.

 

 

 

And do you block/redirect Google and OpenDNS as per this post?





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DjShadow: Netflix (via Unotelly) just stopped working on our Sony Android TV, rebooted router + cable modem and no diff. However tried our older Sony home theater that has Netflix and still works.

 

 

 

And do you block/redirect Google and OpenDNS as per this post?

 

 

I will once I can find the settings in my Airport Extreme...

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  # 1473490 18-Jan-2016 09:25
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Saturday evening my Netflix on Xbox One, using Unblock-US, accessing USA content stopped working. I've yet to trawl through the Unblock-US support forums to try and identify if this can be resolved.

 

 

 

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tstone: Saturday evening my Netflix on Xbox One, using Unblock-US, accessing USA content stopped working. I've yet to trawl through the Unblock-US support forums to try and identify if this can be resolved.   https://goo.gl/photos/sr6N8EuTWwZmsoQe8  

 

 

 

We were watching Netflix Canada via Unblock-US last night. I wonder if they are blocking proxies via some DNS servers but not others? Unblock-US currently tells me to configure a different pair of DNS servers to what it originally told me to use. AFAIK the old ones are still working since I have a couple of devices that have those configured, but others have the new ones. (Stupid Asus router only lets you enter one DNS server, and insists on itself being the second one, which is useless).




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mattwnz: I think part of the issue is some providers are buying exclusive rights, which I presume they pay more for. Exclusive rights though create monopolies. I think the easy way around it, would be to outlaw exclusive rights agreements in NZ. If all providers were able to buy the content they wanted, and there was no exclusive rights to show that content, so multiple providers could show it, then that would create a more level playing field. It should also be better for consumers, as they then wouldn't need 5 different providers for their content, they may only need 2. Part of the problem in NZ, is we had one main player who used to have most of the content, meaning noone could compete. They do still have almost all the popular sport in NZ, but overtime that may change as online streaming gains more of a foothold. Maybe the solution is what is happening in the US and UK. But NZ is a far smaller market, and can only sustain a few companies in this market.

 

Sky has always had competition if others chose to purchase the content but they didnt. Lately some providers have outbid Sky, power to them.

 

Now, if content owners sold rights to everyone, that woud be great. No restrictions. I could watch everything on TVOne, Sky, Netflix, Quickflix, Lightbox, Neon, etc, etc. The rights would be very cheap as they are spread over everyone. TVOne would be able to have FTA, plas a cheap pay service $13 a month. Sky can reduce their subscription as many contents are cheap. We would have multiple providers all selling the same thing. The provider that made that the easiest to access will win. No one will have more than one provider in theory. This is what many here are hoping for? If the contebt owners get the same revenue I doubt they will care what happens. It could be like Telco's here, all sell the same thing at the same prices, near enough, so added value and service become king. Then I guess one provider gets a cool added value service exclusive, and they become a monopoly, as there is no reason to stay with any other provider. All theory off course

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