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trig42
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  #1471784 15-Jan-2016 11:33
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It will be interesting to see if Netflix actually do it, or if they make a lot of noise about doing it and everything stays the same.
If we didn't talk about it, would they care about it?

 

Should be the first rule of UnoTelly, don't talk about UnoTelly (or other DNS service..)

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  #1471786 15-Jan-2016 11:35
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davidcole:
SaltyNZ:
geekiegeek: Look at NZ as an example, if Sky already have the local rights then Netflix cannot buy them.


Hopefully the next time the contracts come up for renewal Sky will find it much harder to lock them up exclusively.


You pays teh monies, you gets the contracts...Should be as simple as that.  Whoever has the bigger pockets and bigger desire will take it out I guess.



To a certain extent, yes. But now that Sky have multiple competitors, the rights holders will want to demand a lot more to give exclusivity - naively, say, up to 4x as much since such a deal would preclude them from selling to Netflix, Lightbox and Quickflix, but really 'as much more as they can get away with'. With Sky's customers and profits shrinking by the day, they'll start to find that a much tougher proposition in future.




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  #1471790 15-Jan-2016 11:39
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Will be interesting to see if they only stop access to the US, or they try and stop all "out of region" access. I hardly ever connect to the US anymore, opting for Canada mostly (although last night switched to Norway, their catalog looks pretty impressive).

If they disabled the "one account for the whole world" scenario, this would make it more difficult as you simply can't access content from multiple regions.

If I had to just have access to NZs library, I'd still keep Netflix as Im sure that there is content there I could watch, maybe I might go Netflix / Lightbox combo for the TV series differences


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  #1471793 15-Jan-2016 11:40
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I would struggle to maintain interest in subscribing to Netflix NZ without the ability to watch its other regions. As a region we are severely crippled as far as programming goes compared to other regions

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  #1471800 15-Jan-2016 11:43
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SaltyNZ:
davidcole:
SaltyNZ:
geekiegeek: Look at NZ as an example, if Sky already have the local rights then Netflix cannot buy them.


Hopefully the next time the contracts come up for renewal Sky will find it much harder to lock them up exclusively.


You pays teh monies, you gets the contracts...Should be as simple as that.  Whoever has the bigger pockets and bigger desire will take it out I guess.



To a certain extent, yes. But now that Sky have multiple competitors, the rights holders will want to demand a lot more to give exclusivity - naively, say, up to 4x as much since such a deal would preclude them from selling to Netflix, Lightbox and Quickflix, but really 'as much more as they can get away with'. With Sky's customers and profits shrinking by the day, they'll start to find that a much tougher proposition in future.


Actually for Fiscal 2015 Sky's returns were up, that is Revenue, Profit, Assets and Equity.

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  #1471803 15-Jan-2016 11:46
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MikeB4: 

Actually for Fiscal 2015 Sky's returns were up, that is Revenue, Profit, Assets and Equity.


Really? Interesting. What about customer numbers?




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  #1471806 15-Jan-2016 11:48
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If they are able to do it, it will effectively out these vpn companies out if business won't it?

 
 
 
 


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  #1471807 15-Jan-2016 11:50
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mattwnz: If they are able to do it, it will effectively out these vpn companies out if business won't it?


Yes, so expect it to simply be a blip as all those companies scramble to make sure they don't. It's nice that Netflix gives them all fair warning so they can be ready.




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  #1471809 15-Jan-2016 11:50
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SaltyNZ:
MikeB4: 

Actually for Fiscal 2015 Sky's returns were up, that is Revenue, Profit, Assets and Equity.


Really? Interesting. What about customer numbers?


I don't know what those figures are but increased competition would suggest that there has been movement in the customer base.

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  #1471825 15-Jan-2016 11:54
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I think Sky may benefit if pressure on the content owners resulted in the freeing up of regional restrictions. Sky has no real way to circumvent it like Netflix users can (at present) so if the restrictions were removed
it may well open up more content for Sky.

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  #1471827 15-Jan-2016 11:55
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It would be deliciously ironic if restrictions on content from other regions was hurting Sky.




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  #1471838 15-Jan-2016 12:06
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the easiest way for Netflix to cancel out DNS/VPN users and really stick it to the country based competition is to launch a global catalog.

now i know there are various restrictions but if they want global domination and global coverage then the best way to sew up the market is to carpet bomb the market with something that no one can compete with.

Combine the canada, uk, EU, US and Aus catalogue and even if this cost me a few extra $ per month i would snap it up in an instant.



 

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  #1471839 15-Jan-2016 12:07
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Even if this did end up being a problem, I'm still 100% confident our decision to cancel Sky next week is the right one. We've been watching Netflix using the NZ region for weeks now. We try to use that region when possible, so we can get content from local CDNs, and only switch if we need to.

So as it turns out, Netflix NZ, coupled with Lightbox & Hulu, is currently serving our needs well. We also have HBO, but haven't touched that for a while (really need to finish watching The Wire).

That being said, I'd be surprised to see any actual DNS issues down the track. It seems more like making noise that has to be made to placate the content creators. 

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  #1471847 15-Jan-2016 12:11
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SaltyNZ: It would be deliciously ironic if restrictions on content from other regions was hurting Sky.


yeah, imagine if SkyGo had been supplying streams of English Premier League or PGA Golf for the last few years for Sky subscribers.  
Oh, wait.  Those restrictions on content from other regions DID hurt Sky.  Oh, the irony.  [sic]

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  #1471850 15-Jan-2016 12:14
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robbon44: the easiest way for Netflix to cancel out DNS/VPN users and really stick it to the country based competition is to launch a global catalog.

now i know there are various restrictions but if they want global domination and global coverage then the best way to sew up the market is to carpet bomb the market with something that no one can compete with.

Combine the canada, uk, EU, US and Aus catalogue and even if this cost me a few extra $ per month i would snap it up in an instant.



 


The rights for each of those countries is sold by distributors on a country by country basis.  Netflix would love to offer a global catalog.  Thats its end game.  Global rights for global users.  The company has been clear on this and also commented that acquiring global rights has been more difficult than expected.  
This effort at clamping down on unblocking may be because the content distributors are unwilling to talk about global rights if Netflix is not beingg seen to do anything about respecting and enforcing current ownership rights around the world.

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