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  Reply # 1524895 2-Apr-2016 22:37
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watsonash: I think anyone who believes geekzone forums are the only source of valid information are simply delusional.
You might as well just look at open forums where these issues are being discussed and worked through.
HTTP://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2508180

There are many different strategies Netflix can adopt if necessary if they are forced to up their game from the content providers. As soon as some form of localised 2 factor auth is implemented no amount of network trickery will be able to avoid it.
The internet wasn't created for some old boys club to discuss privately on the various solutions IMHO.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to find the recent Getflix Facebook links about what to block/reroute..I'm taking a slightly different strategy of just redirecting UDP/TCP port 53 but similar and the more people that bitch and moan that UnoTelly and Getflix aren't working, the happier I become as the more reliable my BBC iPlayer and to a lesser extent Netflix becomes.
Reality is that unless people separate out their routing functionality away from the rest of the kit, they'll be limited by what their ISP/manufacturer want them to be able to do, so ultimately they'll be unable to implement basic features.
Bring on the ubiquity and routeros kit or any other command line driven consumer solution.
Reality is Netflix have killed reliable region hopping to most people so the wack a mole game will no doubt die down very soon and it'll be BAU for most people.






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You cannot tell me Netflix, a company who have successfully delivered a system of video delivery that covers most of the planet, with video up to 4K and DD sound, across more devices than any other video on demand service, needs to look on forum posts in order to figure out how DNS unblockers work.  If their engineers are clever enough to set up globally distributed video networks with local caches that offer fantastic performance, then figuring out how proxy DNS services work will be a no-brainer for them.


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  Reply # 1524917 2-Apr-2016 23:09
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timbosan:
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You cannot tell me Netflix, a company who have successfully delivered a system of video delivery that covers most of the planet, with video up to 4K and DD sound, across more devices than any other video on demand service, needs to look on forum posts in order to figure out how DNS unblockers work.  If their engineers are clever enough to set up globally distributed video networks with local caches that offer fantastic performance, then figuring out how proxy DNS services work will be a no-brainer for them.

 

 

I agree to a point, but....

 

Just like apple, the biggest computer company on the planet made IOS unhackable!!

 

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/the-fbi-hacked-one-iphone-and-is-hungry-for-more

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1524959 3-Apr-2016 00:32
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Unblock us has been consistently not working for the last few days now.

Not going to cancel as I still watch BBC I player quite a bit. And Netflix NZ still has good enough content that, in conjunction with lightbox, there is still plenty I want to watch.

And I really cbf fiddling around with network settings to get access.

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  Reply # 1524975 3-Apr-2016 06:45
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I would post in private but then again can't :) 

 

 

 

I think for Netflix to detect and flag an account as non U.S. is fairly straightforward, yes you can mask the traffic, but the complexity in achieving that goes up as they ramp up their detection methods, and I would not be surprised if they package their solution and on sell it to other content providers such as Hulu, BBC, yadda yadda...

 

catalog switchers, easy don't do it, if your using the U.S. catalog one day then trying to use the Canada, NZ, or AU catalog, and then you switch back to the U.S. this would most likely trigger a flag on an account as someone who most likely is using proxy/vpn for access.

 

One of the things i've seen been discussed is if your acct is flagged, and you load the U.S. catalog they will show you the catalog but will only play back content that is available locally

 

what does appear to be working is 1. stick with the u.s. catalog (in my case i pay for the u.s. one I am happy to stick with parallel importing that data), 2. tunnel your traffic via a IPV6 gateway, using DNS to make a decision on which traffic should go via the IPV6 gateway or via your standard connection.

 

what is interesting is Netflix have now started to push for a phone number to be added to an account if one is not their already, while it might be used for acct recovery it would also be a useful detection tool as well; (time 2 maybe add a u.s. number to my acct)

 

If i was hunting proxy users i would be looking at their MTU/MSS, packet length, and RTT apply some heuristics to that and I think I would have a pretty good idea on who is using vpn/proxy methods to access content.

 

This entire thing is rather interesting, and might result in proxy systems becoming harder to detect as a result in the long term.


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  Reply # 1525038 3-Apr-2016 09:13
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watsonash: I think anyone who believes geekzone forums are the only source of valid information are simply delusional.
You might as well just look at open forums where these issues are being discussed and worked through.
HTTP://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2508180

There are many different strategies Netflix can adopt if necessary if they are forced to up their game from the content providers. As soon as some form of localised 2 factor auth is implemented no amount of network trickery will be able to avoid it.
The internet wasn't created for some old boys club to discuss privately on the various solutions IMHO.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to find the recent Getflix Facebook links about what to block/reroute..I'm taking a slightly different strategy of just redirecting UDP/TCP port 53 but similar and the more people that bitch and moan that UnoTelly and Getflix aren't working, the happier I become as the more reliable my BBC iPlayer and to a lesser extent Netflix becomes.
Reality is that unless people separate out their routing functionality away from the rest of the kit, they'll be limited by what their ISP/manufacturer want them to be able to do, so ultimately they'll be unable to implement basic features.
Bring on the ubiquity and routeros kit or any other command line driven consumer solution.
Reality is Netflix have killed reliable region hopping to most people so the wack a mole game will no doubt die down very soon and it'll be BAU for most people.




 

I dont think so. I also don't think Netflix expect to block this, but what they are doing is making it a PITB for all, IT people included, and many will just give up as its too much a hassle, they just want to watch stuff instead of sitting down and seeing its broke for now. Some enjoy the waka mole game, NF doesnt care. If you put ever changing pot holes in the road, at some point many will just stop using that road.


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  Reply # 1525051 3-Apr-2016 09:36
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Hey team,

 

 

 

Quite a frustrating time, but I have managed to get my PC working again.  I am a Unotelly customer, so followed their instructions here: http://help.unotelly.com/support/discussions/topics/312208

 

 

 

Now... where I get stuck is, I cannot get my Apple TV 3 or Xbox One working with Netflix US.  I was wondering if anyone might have any ideas that could help me.

 

 

 

Following Unotelly's guide they are saying to get Apple TV/Xbox One working I need to do some Static Routing to block the Google public DNS (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4).  I am using a Vodafone Huawei HG659 VDSL router, and cannot for the life of me find any way to set up these blocks within the admin function.  I am thinking this is by design with the Huawei interface locking this down for some reason - so I am wondering if there are other ways to do this? and Do you guys think this is the actual answer (or is it better off just waiting a few more weeks to see what Unotelly & co come up with)?

 

 

 

Anyway, very frustrating for all judging from the massive hate that is being flung around on social media at the moment.  Any help would be great team!

 

 


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  Reply # 1525132 3-Apr-2016 10:34
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rossko:

 

Following Unotelly's guide they are saying to get Apple TV/Xbox One working I need to do some Static Routing to block the Google public DNS (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4).

 

 

 

 

Not sure which instructions you are reading but I am also on unotelly guide and it says you also need to block these...

 

 

 

  • Network/Host IP: 108.175.0.0
  • Network/Host IP: 23.240.0.0
  • Network/Host IP: 45.57.0.0
  • Network/Host IP: 185.2.0.0
  • Network/Host IP: 198.38.0.0
  • Network/Host IP: 198.45.0.0
  • Netmask: 255.255.0.0

 

 

PC and apple tv working good.  although apple tv a bit slow i guess as it is waiting for responses that never arrive. 


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  Reply # 1525135 3-Apr-2016 10:36
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surfisup1000:

 

rossko:

 

Following Unotelly's guide they are saying to get Apple TV/Xbox One working I need to do some Static Routing to block the Google public DNS (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4).

 

 

 

 

Not sure which instructions you are reading but I am also on unotelly guide and it says you also need to block these...

 

 

 

  • Network/Host IP: 108.175.0.0
  • Network/Host IP: 23.240.0.0
  • Network/Host IP: 45.57.0.0
  • Network/Host IP: 185.2.0.0
  • Network/Host IP: 198.38.0.0
  • Network/Host IP: 198.45.0.0
  • Netmask: 255.255.0.0

 

 

PC and apple tv working good.  although apple tv a bit slow i guess as it is waiting for responses that never arrive. 

 

 

Yep, but my question is how do I block everything with my router.  Any help would be great!


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  Reply # 1525241 3-Apr-2016 17:02
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OSX working again for me following Unotelly instructions.

 

No luck with AppleTV 4.  Starts up, shows the US catalog, Hit play, after 20 seconds get a timeout error message.  At least not seeing the dreaded 'You Are Using an Unblocker' error message which had the wife peering anxiously out the living room windows...


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  Reply # 1526629 6-Apr-2016 05:50
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I've tried Unotelly instructions however it would appear my account is somehow permanently flagged now and I simply get S7363-1260-00003266 errors. Out of interest for those that are working are you using a NZ credit card or a virtual credit card service? 


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  Reply # 1526698 6-Apr-2016 08:53
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rossko:

 

Following Unotelly's guide they are saying to get Apple TV/Xbox One working I need to do some Static Routing to block the Google public DNS (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4).  I am using a Vodafone Huawei HG659

 

 

 

 

Not a fan of Huawei modems and don't know anything about this one.   But presume one way would be to run DNS from any devicev in your LAN, and have it proxy to Unotelly's DNS then add a static route for 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 to the local DNS server the reason for doing this rather than trying to route to Unotelly directly is most cheap routers wont allow you to setup a route destination to anything other than a local LAN IP so this gets around it.  Failing that its time to get a better router.


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  Reply # 1527196 6-Apr-2016 17:53
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Apple just posted a Netflix app update to v8.2.0... This is my warning to those who have a working system, and query to those who've already updated...

Still working on 8.2.0?

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  Reply # 1528980 9-Apr-2016 13:25
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Hey guys. Can you pls advise if adding static works for you and pls advise which router have you used? Tried on linksy x1000 but no go. I dont get the proxy error but just timing out when trying US or Uk. Got getflix service.

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  Reply # 1530152 11-Apr-2016 18:18
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It's a real shame but I've just cancelled my UnoTelly sub. I've tried but on my Technicolor 589 and Huawei 630b and the static routing option isn't even there. Therefore watching on my XBOX one is impossible.

 

Looks like I'll be sticking with NZ Netflix until I run out of things to watch, and since I was mainly watching UK and US Netflix I fear it won't be long before that sub will come to an end and I have to revert back to the old "dark" ways of getting my programming fix. This is made worse as I would have to subscribe to three services in NZ to watch the TV shows that we watched on the US and UK Netflix.

 

I suppose we can always remember the good times.


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  Reply # 1530161 11-Apr-2016 18:42
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sIcPuPPy:

 

It's a real shame but I've just cancelled my UnoTelly sub. I've tried but on my Technicolor 589 and Huawei 630b and the static routing option isn't even there. Therefore watching on my XBOX one is impossible.

 

Looks like I'll be sticking with NZ Netflix until I run out of things to watch, and since I was mainly watching UK and US Netflix I fear it won't be long before that sub will come to an end and I have to revert back to the old "dark" ways of getting my programming fix. This is made worse as I would have to subscribe to three services in NZ to watch the TV shows that we watched on the US and UK Netflix.

 

I suppose we can always remember the good times.

 

 

Unless there is a monopoly of one SVOD provider its expected that there will be fragmentation. So as I read from your post, you can replace NF USA with three SVOD services to get the same content. What's wrong with that. It could easily have to be NF NZ, LB, Neon and Hulu if Hulu NZ were here. The idea that many if not all here want is choice. But you can't really expect to have every choice in one easy $13 pack. Whatever happens over time, the revenue generated needs to fall into a new model. Fragmentation will help keep content premium, otherwise it becomes valueless. I don't see anyone from creators downwards being cash cows, its competitive. If it is competitive as I feel, there aint much squeeze room to give everyone everything for next to nothing. 


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