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  Reply # 1530537 12-Apr-2016 10:19
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I am only using Sky as an example. I think it is an appropriate one because if I did want to watch GOT, it actually might be cheaper to fly to America.

 

I have no idea how much it would cost if everything was available here. I do have a pretty good idea how much it costs if I view it elsewhere, and it isn't all that much. 

 

Networkn has put his finger on the crux of the matter, which is the rights issue. I guess content owners (or distributors) do have the right to put something out on the market and then say some people are not allowed to have it. At least they have that right as long as the people who are not allowed are not black, or Jewish, or female, or other recognised minorities. And I guess I feel, like a lot of other people, that I have an equal right to use whatever means are available to me to pay for that content and access it anyway. People seem to keep overlooking the fact that it is not actually illegal to do so. The real issue here, which Networkn has identified, is how such rights, and the concept of property itself, are defined, and that is the underlying issue that we disagree on. He sees such rights as absolute, others don't. An example: In America the property your home is on is sacrosanct. You have the right to defend it against trespassers by shooting them. You do not have that right in New Zealand. We have a different concept of property here. My concept of intellectual property is that people have a right of ownership, a right to profit from it, and a right to have that profit protected. They do not have a right to determine who can buy it, or under what circumstances. If I sell you a watermelon and you have paid for it, it is yours. I do not have the right to tell you how to eat it, or who you can share it with.

 

      





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  Reply # 1530539 12-Apr-2016 10:26
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Hey all - this thread is degenerating into arguments that are NOT on topic - remember this is about Netflix, unblockers, DNS, VPN type stuff.

If you want to argue about licensing, regional restrictions, etc, can you do it on another/new thread?

 

 

Agree. There is another thread for this. Sorry, I forgot where I was.

 

 





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  Reply # 1530543 12-Apr-2016 10:35
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I am only using Sky as an example. I think it is an appropriate one because if I did want to watch GOT, it actually might be cheaper to fly to America.

 

I have no idea how much it would cost if everything was available here. I do have a pretty good idea how much it costs if I view it elsewhere, and it isn't all that much. 

 

Networkn has put his finger on the crux of the matter, which is the rights issue. I guess content owners (or distributors) do have the right to put something out on the market and then say some people are not allowed to have it. At least they have that right as long as the people who are not allowed are not black, or Jewish, or female, or other recognised minorities. And I guess I feel, like a lot of other people, that I have an equal right to use whatever means are available to me to pay for that content and access it anyway. People seem to keep overlooking the fact that it is not actually illegal to do so. The real issue here, which Networkn has identified, is how such rights, and the concept of property itself, are defined, and that is the underlying issue that we disagree on. He sees such rights as absolute, others don't. An example: In America the property your home is on is sacrosanct. You have the right to defend it against trespassers by shooting them. You do not have that right in New Zealand. We have a different concept of property here. My concept of intellectual property is that people have a right of ownership, a right to profit from it, and a right to have that profit protected. They do not have a right to determine who can buy it, or under what circumstances. If I sell you a watermelon and you have paid for it, it is yours. I do not have the right to tell you how to eat it, or who you can share it with.

 

      

 

 

You are wrong on multiple points here. Of course I have a right to protect MY property by force.

 

And I guess I feel, like a lot of other people, that I have an equal right to use whatever means are available to me to pay for that content and access it anyway.

 

But that's the thing, you are talking about "feelings" and feelings don't apply. Only legal rights do, and you don't HAVE any.


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  Reply # 1530544 12-Apr-2016 10:36
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Hey all - this thread is degenerating into arguments that are NOT on topic - remember this is about Netflix, unblockers, DNS, VPN type stuff.

If you want to argue about licensing, regional restrictions, etc, can you do it on another/new thread?

 

 

 

 

It's been much all been pretty said already, and as people have already pointed out, specific information posted here about how to get around geoblocking isn't productive, it's actually the opposite. Be clear, the people providing these blocks are monitoring these threads. 

 

But yes, strictly speaking it's off topic, so I won't continue.

 

 


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  Reply # 1530577 12-Apr-2016 11:05
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tdgeek:

 

 

 

If everything was available in NZ, how much would we pay for access to all of it?

 

 

 

 

If we're being fair about it, the same as the Americans pay. Sky is a bit different as they have an enormous legacy satellite infrastructure to maintain, but everyone else is cloud based. It costs Netflix no more to serve NZ than it costs them to serve the US - it is, literally, the same infrastructure. That's the nice thing about the internet. I am no longer limited by the fact that I live on a small island in the South Pacific.

 

The old reasoning behind higher local prices being that it costs a lot to import stuff do not apply in any meaningful way to the internet.

 

 

 

 

Very true. So, we will say a broad US$10 per SVOD? Sky as you say is more. It comes dowmn to how fragmented it is or becomes. But lets say US$10 for each and every SVOD provider that is needed to cover everything. No idea if thats 3, 4, 5, or more yet


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  Reply # 1530581 12-Apr-2016 11:13
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Very true. So, we will say a broad US$10 per SVOD? Sky as you say is more. It comes dowmn to how fragmented it is or becomes. But lets say US$10 for each and every SVOD provider that is needed to cover everything. No idea if thats 3, 4, 5, or more yet

 

 

 

 

Exactly. I already subscribe to Netflix, Hulu and Amazon Prime, so that's three right there. I doubt I'd go more than that, but that is a purely personal preference. Needs to be a happy medium; too few providers isn't better than too many providers. It's simply differently bad.





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  Reply # 1530582 12-Apr-2016 11:14
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But that's the thing, you are talking about "feelings" and feelings don't apply. Only legal rights do, and you don't HAVE any.

 

 

 

 

I think thats a key point. Being in business is just that. Decisions are made what to sell, where to sell, what needs the buyer has to maximise their 

 

hefty purchase (pride, retention, new customers, advertising) Feelings don't come onto it, and feelings of ire, wants and needs, angst against the establishment and businesses doesnt come into it. Issues with profits is bizarre, we are all looking for a profit, all of us. We support profits directly and indirectly. Its about being a realist. We will ione day get eveything here, at a cost. Or we can makeup reasons to demand it now from society, cos we can.


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  Reply # 1530584 12-Apr-2016 11:18
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Very true. So, we will say a broad US$10 per SVOD? Sky as you say is more. It comes dowmn to how fragmented it is or becomes. But lets say US$10 for each and every SVOD provider that is needed to cover everything. No idea if thats 3, 4, 5, or more yet

 

 

I've said here in the past that I'd be prepared to pay up to around NZD $50 to cover all my viewing needs, but upon reflection I may actually be prepared to pay a little more than that. I'd also not be against some of the content being ad supported to keep subscription costs down.

 

In contrast, Sky provides very poor value for money for us. We were paying around $65 per month, and for that we had very little Sky content that we actually watched, and it was all in SD (with a lot of the content hideously compressed).

 

In theory we could have most of our bases covered by subscribing to Netflix NZ, Lightbox, and Neon. But I still think the latter is overpriced at $20, for a service that isn't in HD yet, and would require the more cumbersome AirPlay mode of viewing.

 

This still doesn't cover all the content we want to watch, but it will get the lions share of it. I really wish our local providers would improve their SVOD options though. My wife was trying to catch up on Coronation Street over the weekend (after the Sky decoder failed to record it all) via the TVNZ On Demand app on the PS4. But the stream refused to play correctly, often reverting to a mode where it was audio only. This is on a 30Mbps fibre connection.

 

I also dislike the way local SVOD offerings often only have the last n episodes available, but I understand this is yet another restriction due to the license they have for their content. I is out of step with how we like to consume content though.


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  Reply # 1530619 12-Apr-2016 12:14
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We got blocked last week. Our unblocking service provided a fix, which lasted a few days but last night blocked again.


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  Reply # 1530621 12-Apr-2016 12:20
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Hey all - this thread is degenerating into arguments that are NOT on topic - remember this is about Netflix, unblockers, DNS, VPN type stuff.

If you want to argue about licensing, regional restrictions, etc, can you do it on another/new thread?

 

 

I agree and I'm out of here now..





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IMO it's just not feasible for everyone to sign up to every provider so they have access to all the shows their family likes to watch.  It's not user friendly, switching between providers all the time, using a different interface for each provider, it's a mess.  As a TV watcher I want one list of all the channels I want to view all in the same menu.

 

The only solution is for content producers to set a fixed price and it's up to the delivery providers to purchase it or not.  At the right price it is very feasible the content producers will receive more profit from 5 delivery providers than they would from 1 exclusive provider.  I vote for exclusivity to be made illegal.

 

 


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  Reply # 1530918 12-Apr-2016 16:42
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You can set up your own VPS with a DNS server as well

 

https://github.com/ab77/netflix-proxy

 

 


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  Reply # 1530927 12-Apr-2016 16:47
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IMO it's just not feasible for everyone to sign up to every provider so they have access to all the shows their family likes to watch.  It's not user friendly, switching between providers all the time, using a different interface for each provider, it's a mess.  As a TV watcher I want one list of all the channels I want to view all in the same menu.

 

The only solution is for content producers to set a fixed price and it's up to the delivery providers to purchase it or not.  At the right price it is very feasible the content producers will receive more profit from 5 delivery providers than they would from 1 exclusive provider.  I vote for exclusivity to be made illegal.

 

 

 

 

Just to quote Netflix:

 

“We’ve enjoyed a five year partnership with Epix, but our strategic paths are no longer aligned,” Sarandos said in an official statement. “Our focus has shifted to provide great movies and TV series for our members that are exclusive to Netflix. Epix’s focus is to make sure that their movies will be widely available for consumers through a variety of platforms.”

 

Emphasis added.  But EPIX wanted to make it as widely available as possible.  Netflix, as a delivery provider, decided not to purchase it.  Because its non-exclusive - and doesnt add value to Netflix to have it.


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  Reply # 1530945 12-Apr-2016 17:15
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IMO it's just not feasible for everyone to sign up to every provider so they have access to all the shows their family likes to watch.  It's not user friendly, switching between providers all the time, using a different interface for each provider, it's a mess.  As a TV watcher I want one list of all the channels I want to view all in the same menu.


The only solution is for content producers to set a fixed price and it's up to the delivery providers to purchase it or not.  At the right price it is very feasible the content producers will receive more profit from 5 delivery providers than they would from 1 exclusive provider.  I vote for exclusivity to be made illegal.


 



Fair points. You want a monopoly. Most certainly that would be convenient. To balance the books it would be expensive as your sub would include the total cost if everything, so you would be sharing a cost for content hat you don't want. You want a Sky business model. That's one option.

I would prefer a situation where all providers supported all platforms . Not as convenient but not too bad at all if my ATV4 had all SVOD and my Panny has Freeview. I don't want to pay a huge fixed sum if I only watch a small range of genres that one or two SVOD satisfy me

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  Reply # 1531148 12-Apr-2016 22:10
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IMO it's just not feasible for everyone to sign up to every provider so they have access to all the shows their family likes to watch.  It's not user friendly, switching between providers all the time, using a different interface for each provider, it's a mess.  As a TV watcher I want one list of all the channels I want to view all in the same menu.

 

The only solution is for content producers to set a fixed price and it's up to the delivery providers to purchase it or not.  At the right price it is very feasible the content producers will receive more profit from 5 delivery providers than they would from 1 exclusive provider.  I vote for exclusivity to be made illegal. 

 

 

That's not the only solution.  They could switch to a pay-per-play model like streaming music.  That way it is in content providers interest to have their content on as many platforms as possible.  There will still be some premium shows used to differentiate services, but most content should end up on all platforms.


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