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  #1531358 13-Apr-2016 09:07
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My Android app auto updated to version 4.4.0 build 6233 which no longer lets me use VPN. Not sure if turning auto updates off would have helped at all, I guess they'll demand the latest version from the server side at some stage?


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  #1532759 13-Apr-2016 21:18
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you could always download an older version http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/netflix-inc/

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #1532783 13-Apr-2016 22:01
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Hmm ok so it seems it's nothing to do with the app itself. I've rolled back the Netflix app and having the same results.


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  #1532785 13-Apr-2016 22:05
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incidentally, Netflix US coming through here loud and clear even on the latest version of android Netflix client and Nvidia shield TV using unotelly but blocking outbound UDP/TCP port 53 to the ranges that both unotelly and getflix have documented and rewriting DNS requests to google and opendns servers to force them to unotelly.

 

and using dnsmasq to selectively throw traffic in the right direction to avoid all my DNS traffic being thrown to Unotelly (but the list on getflix's page is incomplete).

 

All working great but there is a delay on content starting on Android tablets and Android phone of about 15 seconds (The Nvidia Shield TV streams start within about 3 seconds). I'm working with Unotelly as I was running some packet traces of the DNS requests last night and noticed some interesting behavior, which I've contacted them about with some suggestions of how they could potentially fix the issue.

 

All done using a Ubiquity ERLite-3 which makes everything possible.

 

Like all this stuff though - I think Netflix have essentially won the battle as the solutions require too much networking and IT knowledge to implement the workarounds so I think they've killed off 95% of the geo hoppers and it will be cost prohibitive to them to go after the remaining 5% (and risky as they may inadvertently kill off their valid subscribers).

 

So Netflix you win, so now move on, now just focus on world wide content deals to make things easy for everyone.

 

 


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  #1532812 13-Apr-2016 23:52
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Yeah they won against me as well.  Cancelled my unblock-us subscription today.

 

Does anyone know if I should contact Netflix to ask them to change my account to a NZ one?


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  #1532820 14-Apr-2016 03:00
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GeoffisPure:

 

Yeah they won against me as well.  Cancelled my unblock-us subscription today.

 

Does anyone know if I should contact Netflix to ask them to change my account to a NZ one?

 

 

Simply cancel your billing in the Netflix panel and re-instate it from a NZ IP address once it rolls over. You'll then get NZ pricing.

 

Also, I think that was the end goal - there are always going to be people (including myself) who have found ways around their actions and always will do no matter what barriers are placed up. My sister for example won't know where to start to get other regions of Netflix on demand and is savvy enough to never use something like Hola too so she would have given up.

 

But I bet there is now the rise of more vulnerable computers out there on the net with Hola running.





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  #1532834 14-Apr-2016 08:49
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Weird.

 

I hadn't used Netflic in over a month (we were between houses and only got UFB installed on Monday this week).

 

I reconnected the FireTV, and it obviously did an update.

 

I connected it to the wired network, and changed DNS to Unotelly DNS addresses.

 

Fired up Netflix from the FireTV, no issues at all. Playing content all OK. I am assuming it is US, but thinking maybe it isn't? I haven't changed anything at the UnoTelly end, and last time I used it, it was US (watched HoC S3). I am doing no blocking or redirecting.

 

I was expecting it to tell me that I couldn't watch.


 
 
 
 


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  #1532844 14-Apr-2016 09:24
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Mine was still fine a couple of days ago. I've had to change options in the region picker a couple of times, but other than that I've been okay. 

 

If it gets to the point where I can no longer do that (the whole router programming thing goes right over my head) then I'll just cancel Netflix altogether. There's nothing in the NZ catalogue I want to watch, and actually not a lot in the US. I do most of my viewing via Hulu/BBC/All4 so as long as they are working I'll be quite happy. 





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  #1532850 14-Apr-2016 09:43
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My set up still works most of the time.  I've had a few times when it didn't, but it seemed to fix itself or my DNS provider has done something.  I've already signed up for Amazon Prime which has a lot of the same content (UK as I have a bank account there).  With that and BBC iplayer, I'm pretty happy.  If it gets too hard I'll cancel Netflix.


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  #1532872 14-Apr-2016 10:44
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Question: If 95% or even 90% of overseas Netflix users get fed up and move on, would this be enough to make a noticeable dent in their bottom line? Could it conceivably influence their policy?

 

 





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  #1532901 14-Apr-2016 10:53
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Rikkitic:

 

Question: If 95% or even 90% of overseas Netflix users get fed up and move on, would this be enough to make a noticeable dent in their bottom line? Could it conceivably influence their policy?

 

 

 

Good question. I also suspect there'll be quite a few users like me, who are frustrated at the lack of access to International content, but still gain enough benefit from the (ever improving) NZ catalogue to keep their subscription.


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  #1532910 14-Apr-2016 11:08
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Rikkitic:

 

Question: If 95% or even 90% of overseas Netflix users get fed up and move on, would this be enough to make a noticeable dent in their bottom line? Could it conceivably influence their policy?

 

 

 

 

 

 

No. 95% of a small amount isnt worth worrying about

 

 

 

No. Netflix have stated a geoblock policy that they wish to retain. So they will. The creators of the contect also wish at the moment to retain this.

 

 

 

I fail to see how a policy to restrict geo unblockers, that is working successfully, is now all of a sudden a reason to reduce that policy?


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  #1532912 14-Apr-2016 11:11
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dclegg:

 

Rikkitic:

 

Question: If 95% or even 90% of overseas Netflix users get fed up and move on, would this be enough to make a noticeable dent in their bottom line? Could it conceivably influence their policy?

 

 

 

Good question. I also suspect there'll be quite a few users like me, who are frustrated at the lack of access to International content, but still gain enough benefit from the (ever improving) NZ catalogue to keep their subscription.

 

 

 

 

Yes, thats it, your not paying for NZ and US. Cancel US and it doesnt affect revenue as the US is free. Some will cancekl NF, that happens, not a big number by any stretch


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  #1532919 14-Apr-2016 11:25
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tdgeek: 

 

Yes, thats it, your not paying for NZ and US. Cancel US and it doesnt affect revenue as the US is free. Some will cancel NF, that happens, not a big number by any stretch

 

 

Oh, I understand that. Having US access was a lingering side-effect of getting access to Netflix at all from the days when we couldn't get Netflix here via official channels.

 

I only cancelled Sky once I was confident we'd be served well enough by official local options, should our current geo-unblocking measures ever come undone. With the strengthening catalogues of both Netflix NZ and Lightbox, we're now there. Although it would be sad to lose access to other services we currently parallel import. Some of these contain content not available here at all.

 

I sympathize with those that may want to cancel Netflix to send a protest vote that the current regionalized content distribution business model is out dated. But for us, we're taking a more pragmatic approach, and Netflix NZ still has a place in our viewing roster.


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  #1532921 14-Apr-2016 11:25
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now here's a thought. Currently its the network rather than the account that dictates which content catalogue is used.

 

I can see this because on my android phone at work (where I'm not using Unotelly) I see the NZ catalogue, when I go home after restarting the netflix app I see the US catalogue.

 

So by the same token, if I cancelled my US subscription, and then take out an NZ subscription, I could save a small amount of cash and then still get access to any Netflix region I need.

 

Obviously, Netflix could easily change their rules to block this but they haven't up to now, and I'm not sure I believe the "tagged accounts thoughts" as I've seen the proxy error many times while I was working through my configs but with the right config the messages go away.

 

What worries me most is that annoying 2 factor auth reminder each time I log in to put a phone number in. That makes it trivial for Netflix to see where you are from (excluding the small percent on global roaming). To get around that would require yet another service to provide a local number forwarding service - which even for me would be just too much!


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