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  Reply # 1597932 25-Jul-2016 09:29
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Well guys, personally, the best way to attack this now is to simply cancel Netflix. Money is the only thing that talks. Yes, it's probably not Netflix per se that's pushing this, but the content providers. But the content providers currently believe that region blocking maximises their profits. We need to make sure that the way to maximise their profits is *not* to geo-block. And the only way to do that is not to support geo-blocking.

 

It's your money. You're trying to pay for something you could get for free. If they refuse to let you, then don't. It's that simple.

 

I'm sticking with Unblock-US because it continues to work for Hulu, HBO Now, and (last I checked) Amazon Prime (was about a month ago I last tried) and BBC iPlayer (which was the last Doctor Who series). But I cancelled Netflix a few months ago ... and you know what? The world hasn't ended.

 

I suppose it's only a matter of time before the others start to crack down as hard as Netflix did. And when they do, I'll cancel them too.

 

I support the rights of artists to make a living. But I respect the demands of middle-men to get paid for getting in the way about as much as they respect my demands for them to get out of the way.





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  Reply # 1597934 25-Jul-2016 09:33
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Yeah, I'm just waiting for the day it stops working and I'm cancelling Netflix as well.  I'm finding good stuff on Amazon prime and am using You Tube more as well.  Iplayer is best although there is a rumour they will start restricting access in September.


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  Reply # 1597943 25-Jul-2016 09:41
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Well guys, personally, the best way to attack this now is to simply cancel Netflix. Money is the only thing that talks. Yes, it's probably not Netflix per se that's pushing this, but the content providers. But the content providers currently believe that region blocking maximises their profits. We need to make sure that the way to maximise their profits is *not* to geo-block. And the only way to do that is not to support geo-blocking.

 

It's your money. You're trying to pay for something you could get for free. If they refuse to let you, then don't. It's that simple.

 

I'm sticking with Unblock-US because it continues to work for Hulu, HBO Now, and (last I checked) Amazon Prime (was about a month ago I last tried) and BBC iPlayer (which was the last Doctor Who series). But I cancelled Netflix a few months ago ... and you know what? The world hasn't ended.

 

I suppose it's only a matter of time before the others start to crack down as hard as Netflix did. And when they do, I'll cancel them too.

 

I support the rights of artists to make a living. But I respect the demands of middle-men to get paid for getting in the way about as much as they respect my demands for them to get out of the way.

 

 

Just to clarify - you do support the middle men (Netflix, Amazon, Hulu) or you dont?  

 

You'd like to pay Netflix and Amazon for getting in the way, or you want to pay the artists directly?  


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  Reply # 1597948 25-Jul-2016 09:51
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The corporate shill speaks. Does anyone seriously believe that the industry and all the parasitic hangers-on are not trying to clip the ticket for as much as they can squeeze out of end-consumers? Geo-blocking is all about profit maximisation and nothing else.

 

 





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  Reply # 1597974 25-Jul-2016 09:58
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The corporate shill speaks. Does anyone seriously believe that the industry and all the parasitic hangers-on are not trying to clip the ticket for as much as they can squeeze out of end-consumers? Geo-blocking is all about profit maximisation and nothing else.

 

 

 

 

I'm no corporate - but I am interested in the hypocrisy of the argument.  And yes, geo blocking is about profit maximisation.  Businesses are about profit maximisation.  Allowing people to subscribe to Netflix US without paying any more money for the rights just helps Netflix maximise its superprofits.


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  Reply # 1597980 25-Jul-2016 10:02
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Profit maximisation, from a business? Oh the inhumanity, how dare shareholders want a return for their investments, it should all be for the greater good......


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  Reply # 1597985 25-Jul-2016 10:06
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Profit maximisation, from a business? Oh the inhumanity, how dare shareholders want a return for their investments, it should all be for the greater good......

 

 

Could you imagine a world where Apple would sell a phone for cost plus a reasonable margin?  Or maybe dispense with the 30% revenue share from the App Store?  Oh, the wonderful middle man reaping 30% of the sales price for just listing it in a marketplace......


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  Reply # 1598009 25-Jul-2016 10:28
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The corporate shill speaks. Does anyone seriously believe that the industry and all the parasitic hangers-on are not trying to clip the ticket for as much as they can squeeze out of end-consumers? Geo-blocking is all about profit maximisation and nothing else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Earth to Rikkitic: if you were some regional rights holder who paid for regional rights to X programmes, you'd want your rights respected too. The reality is that contents producers are free to sell their contents on a regional basis to maximise their profits and consumers are free to look for workarounds until such workarounds are conclusively established as being illegal.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1598065 25-Jul-2016 11:02
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I think this whole discussion has a fun side and a serious side. On the more serious side, a big part of my objection to geo-blocking is that it restricts choice (yes, the unfairness of it all). Region-based distribution disproportionately disadvantages small countries like us. A big region, like the US or UK, can support a much wider range of content and many different distributors. A small region like NZ does not have many content sources so fewer of the programmes available overseas get imported. Those that do tend to be the ones with mass appeal, so consumers with minority tastes get left out. Also, you tend to get just one or two big monopolistic players squatting on the market like suffocating spiders and locking out any content they don't already have rights for, further restricting choice. The result is that it becomes impossible for anyone in the small region to legally access content they want even though they are perfectly prepared to pay for it. What is the sense of this? As has previously been pointed out, it not only disadvantages people with minority tastes that are not catered to, but also those with hearing and visual impairments since New Zealand does not cater very well to that kind of thing but overseas providers do. Geo-blocking is  motivated by greed while people who are willing to pay suffer as a result of it. So don't whine about those who choose to torrent and pay nothing at all. This situation is being created by avarice and while I do sympathise with the artists, who have every right to be paid for their work, that sympathy does not extend to corporate lawyers who have devoted their useless lives to finding new and better ways of charging more for less.

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1598067 25-Jul-2016 11:03
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kharris:
This discussion has been played out already. Hence the reason for private threads on the subject.

 

 

 

But this is the only place it's private.  /SMH

 

 

 

 

Why be argumentative about this? The forum owner has asked for things this way. It's a tiny little concession requested from users who access this forum. Just follow the requests and stop being rude.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1598081 25-Jul-2016 11:12
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Rikkitic:

 

The corporate shill speaks. Does anyone seriously believe that the industry and all the parasitic hangers-on are not trying to clip the ticket for as much as they can squeeze out of end-consumers? Geo-blocking is all about profit maximisation and nothing else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Earth to Rikkitic: if you were some regional rights holder who paid for regional rights to X programmes, you'd want your rights respected too. The reality is that contents producers are free to sell their contents on a regional basis to maximise their profits and consumers are free to look for workarounds until such workarounds are conclusively established as being illegal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Illegal??  Where in NZ law does it say that  getting around geoblocking is illegal??   Comments like yours show that you are also a corporate shill and hense the reason that this discussion went underground..





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  Reply # 1598082 25-Jul-2016 11:12
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Rikkitic:

 

The corporate shill speaks. Does anyone seriously believe that the industry and all the parasitic hangers-on are not trying to clip the ticket for as much as they can squeeze out of end-consumers? Geo-blocking is all about profit maximisation and nothing else.

 

 

 

 

Is there some other reason businesses are operating other than profit maximisation? I think you are confusing what you want from a corporation, as something you hope for, from a charity.

 

 


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  Reply # 1598086 25-Jul-2016 11:19
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dejadeadnz:

 

Rikkitic:

 

The corporate shill speaks. Does anyone seriously believe that the industry and all the parasitic hangers-on are not trying to clip the ticket for as much as they can squeeze out of end-consumers? Geo-blocking is all about profit maximisation and nothing else.

 

 

Earth to Rikkitic: if you were some regional rights holder who paid for regional rights to X programmes, you'd want your rights respected too. The reality is that contents producers are free to sell their contents on a regional basis to maximise their profits and consumers are free to look for workarounds until such workarounds are conclusively established as being illegal.

 

 

Illegal??  Where in NZ law does it say that  getting around geoblocking is illegal??   Comments like yours show that you are also a corporate shill and hense the reason that this discussion went underground..

 

 

Comments like yours show a massive comprehension fail. He didn't say geoblocking is illegal, he said consumers are free to look around for options to get around geoblocking UNTIL such options are defined as being illegal. How about stopping with the unfounded ad hominems?


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  Reply # 1598101 25-Jul-2016 11:32
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old3eyes:

 

dejadeadnz:

 

Rikkitic:

 

The corporate shill speaks. Does anyone seriously believe that the industry and all the parasitic hangers-on are not trying to clip the ticket for as much as they can squeeze out of end-consumers? Geo-blocking is all about profit maximisation and nothing else.

 

 

Earth to Rikkitic: if you were some regional rights holder who paid for regional rights to X programmes, you'd want your rights respected too. The reality is that contents producers are free to sell their contents on a regional basis to maximise their profits and consumers are free to look for workarounds until such workarounds are conclusively established as being illegal. 

 

 

Illegal??  Where in NZ law does it say that  getting around geoblocking is illegal??   Comments like yours show that you are also a corporate shill and hense the reason that this discussion went underground..

 

 

@Old3eyes, this is getting out of hand. It seems some always find a reason to point fingers at otheres but nowhere in the quoted post he said it was illegal.

 

This is getting like Trump's tactics of creating his own reality.

 

This crap stops here and now.





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Rikkitic:

 

The corporate shill speaks. Does anyone seriously believe that the industry and all the parasitic hangers-on are not trying to clip the ticket for as much as they can squeeze out of end-consumers? Geo-blocking is all about profit maximisation and nothing else.

 

 

 

 

Is there some other reason businesses are operating other than profit maximisation? I think you are confusing what you want from a corporation, as something you hope for, from a charity.

 

 

 

 

I sincerely believe there is a fundamental distinction between fair and reasonable profit, and maximising profit as much as possible by any means possible. Fair profit is what is necessary to remain in business and have a decent income. Maximised profit is what today's shareholders scream for, but it wasn't always this way. It wasn't this way when I grew up in the 1960s. It only became this way in the 1980s after the Wolf of Wall Street and speculative investors started getting high on cocaine and making increasingly shrill demands for more and more and more. Fair profit is not the same as maximised profit and where that is concerned I feel no confusion at all.

 

 





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