Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


Filter this topic showing only the reply marked as answer View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | ... | 52 | 53 | 54 | 55 | 56 | 57 | 58 | 59 | 60 | 61 | 62 | 63 | 64 | 65 | 66 | 67 | 68 | 69 | 70
4301 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1815

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 1597932 25-Jul-2016 09:29
6 people support this post
Send private message

Well guys, personally, the best way to attack this now is to simply cancel Netflix. Money is the only thing that talks. Yes, it's probably not Netflix per se that's pushing this, but the content providers. But the content providers currently believe that region blocking maximises their profits. We need to make sure that the way to maximise their profits is *not* to geo-block. And the only way to do that is not to support geo-blocking.

 

It's your money. You're trying to pay for something you could get for free. If they refuse to let you, then don't. It's that simple.

 

I'm sticking with Unblock-US because it continues to work for Hulu, HBO Now, and (last I checked) Amazon Prime (was about a month ago I last tried) and BBC iPlayer (which was the last Doctor Who series). But I cancelled Netflix a few months ago ... and you know what? The world hasn't ended.

 

I suppose it's only a matter of time before the others start to crack down as hard as Netflix did. And when they do, I'll cancel them too.

 

I support the rights of artists to make a living. But I respect the demands of middle-men to get paid for getting in the way about as much as they respect my demands for them to get out of the way.





iPad Air + iPhone SE + 2degrees 4tw!

These comments are my own and do not represent the opinions of 2degrees.


jmh

449 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 142

Subscriber

  Reply # 1597934 25-Jul-2016 09:33
Send private message

Yeah, I'm just waiting for the day it stops working and I'm cancelling Netflix as well.  I'm finding good stuff on Amazon prime and am using You Tube more as well.  Iplayer is best although there is a rumour they will start restricting access in September.


 
 
 
 


Try Wrike: fast, easy, and efficient project collaboration software
1224 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 147


  Reply # 1597943 25-Jul-2016 09:41
Send private message

SaltyNZ:

 

Well guys, personally, the best way to attack this now is to simply cancel Netflix. Money is the only thing that talks. Yes, it's probably not Netflix per se that's pushing this, but the content providers. But the content providers currently believe that region blocking maximises their profits. We need to make sure that the way to maximise their profits is *not* to geo-block. And the only way to do that is not to support geo-blocking.

 

It's your money. You're trying to pay for something you could get for free. If they refuse to let you, then don't. It's that simple.

 

I'm sticking with Unblock-US because it continues to work for Hulu, HBO Now, and (last I checked) Amazon Prime (was about a month ago I last tried) and BBC iPlayer (which was the last Doctor Who series). But I cancelled Netflix a few months ago ... and you know what? The world hasn't ended.

 

I suppose it's only a matter of time before the others start to crack down as hard as Netflix did. And when they do, I'll cancel them too.

 

I support the rights of artists to make a living. But I respect the demands of middle-men to get paid for getting in the way about as much as they respect my demands for them to get out of the way.

 

 

Just to clarify - you do support the middle men (Netflix, Amazon, Hulu) or you dont?  

 

You'd like to pay Netflix and Amazon for getting in the way, or you want to pay the artists directly?  


6881 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3225

Subscriber

  Reply # 1597948 25-Jul-2016 09:51
3 people support this post
Send private message

The corporate shill speaks. Does anyone seriously believe that the industry and all the parasitic hangers-on are not trying to clip the ticket for as much as they can squeeze out of end-consumers? Geo-blocking is all about profit maximisation and nothing else.

 

 





I reject your reality and substitute my own. - Adam Savage
 


1224 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 147


  Reply # 1597974 25-Jul-2016 09:58
Send private message

Rikkitic:

 

The corporate shill speaks. Does anyone seriously believe that the industry and all the parasitic hangers-on are not trying to clip the ticket for as much as they can squeeze out of end-consumers? Geo-blocking is all about profit maximisation and nothing else.

 

 

 

 

I'm no corporate - but I am interested in the hypocrisy of the argument.  And yes, geo blocking is about profit maximisation.  Businesses are about profit maximisation.  Allowing people to subscribe to Netflix US without paying any more money for the rights just helps Netflix maximise its superprofits.


679 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 188


  Reply # 1597980 25-Jul-2016 10:02
2 people support this post
Send private message

Profit maximisation, from a business? Oh the inhumanity, how dare shareholders want a return for their investments, it should all be for the greater good......


1224 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 147


  Reply # 1597985 25-Jul-2016 10:06
Send private message

sen8or:

 

Profit maximisation, from a business? Oh the inhumanity, how dare shareholders want a return for their investments, it should all be for the greater good......

 

 

Could you imagine a world where Apple would sell a phone for cost plus a reasonable margin?  Or maybe dispense with the 30% revenue share from the App Store?  Oh, the wonderful middle man reaping 30% of the sales price for just listing it in a marketplace......


1116 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 815

Subscriber

  Reply # 1598009 25-Jul-2016 10:28
Send private message

Rikkitic:

 

The corporate shill speaks. Does anyone seriously believe that the industry and all the parasitic hangers-on are not trying to clip the ticket for as much as they can squeeze out of end-consumers? Geo-blocking is all about profit maximisation and nothing else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Earth to Rikkitic: if you were some regional rights holder who paid for regional rights to X programmes, you'd want your rights respected too. The reality is that contents producers are free to sell their contents on a regional basis to maximise their profits and consumers are free to look for workarounds until such workarounds are conclusively established as being illegal.

 

 

 

 


6881 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3225

Subscriber

  Reply # 1598065 25-Jul-2016 11:02
2 people support this post
Send private message

I think this whole discussion has a fun side and a serious side. On the more serious side, a big part of my objection to geo-blocking is that it restricts choice (yes, the unfairness of it all). Region-based distribution disproportionately disadvantages small countries like us. A big region, like the US or UK, can support a much wider range of content and many different distributors. A small region like NZ does not have many content sources so fewer of the programmes available overseas get imported. Those that do tend to be the ones with mass appeal, so consumers with minority tastes get left out. Also, you tend to get just one or two big monopolistic players squatting on the market like suffocating spiders and locking out any content they don't already have rights for, further restricting choice. The result is that it becomes impossible for anyone in the small region to legally access content they want even though they are perfectly prepared to pay for it. What is the sense of this? As has previously been pointed out, it not only disadvantages people with minority tastes that are not catered to, but also those with hearing and visual impairments since New Zealand does not cater very well to that kind of thing but overseas providers do. Geo-blocking is  motivated by greed while people who are willing to pay suffer as a result of it. So don't whine about those who choose to torrent and pay nothing at all. This situation is being created by avarice and while I do sympathise with the artists, who have every right to be paid for their work, that sympathy does not extend to corporate lawyers who have devoted their useless lives to finding new and better ways of charging more for less.

 

 

 

 





I reject your reality and substitute my own. - Adam Savage
 


1116 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 815

Subscriber

  Reply # 1598067 25-Jul-2016 11:03
2 people support this post
Send private message

blakamin:

 

kharris:
This discussion has been played out already. Hence the reason for private threads on the subject.

 

 

 

But this is the only place it's private.  /SMH

 

 

 

 

Why be argumentative about this? The forum owner has asked for things this way. It's a tiny little concession requested from users who access this forum. Just follow the requests and stop being rude.

 

 

 

 


7759 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 765

Subscriber

  Reply # 1598081 25-Jul-2016 11:12
One person supports this post
Send private message

dejadeadnz:

 

Rikkitic:

 

The corporate shill speaks. Does anyone seriously believe that the industry and all the parasitic hangers-on are not trying to clip the ticket for as much as they can squeeze out of end-consumers? Geo-blocking is all about profit maximisation and nothing else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Earth to Rikkitic: if you were some regional rights holder who paid for regional rights to X programmes, you'd want your rights respected too. The reality is that contents producers are free to sell their contents on a regional basis to maximise their profits and consumers are free to look for workarounds until such workarounds are conclusively established as being illegal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Illegal??  Where in NZ law does it say that  getting around geoblocking is illegal??   Comments like yours show that you are also a corporate shill and hense the reason that this discussion went underground..





Regards,

Old3eyes


16518 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 4612

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  Reply # 1598082 25-Jul-2016 11:12
2 people support this post
Send private message

Rikkitic:

 

The corporate shill speaks. Does anyone seriously believe that the industry and all the parasitic hangers-on are not trying to clip the ticket for as much as they can squeeze out of end-consumers? Geo-blocking is all about profit maximisation and nothing else.

 

 

 

 

Is there some other reason businesses are operating other than profit maximisation? I think you are confusing what you want from a corporation, as something you hope for, from a charity.

 

 


3048 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 902

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 1598086 25-Jul-2016 11:19
2 people support this post
Send private message

old3eyes:

 

dejadeadnz:

 

Rikkitic:

 

The corporate shill speaks. Does anyone seriously believe that the industry and all the parasitic hangers-on are not trying to clip the ticket for as much as they can squeeze out of end-consumers? Geo-blocking is all about profit maximisation and nothing else.

 

 

Earth to Rikkitic: if you were some regional rights holder who paid for regional rights to X programmes, you'd want your rights respected too. The reality is that contents producers are free to sell their contents on a regional basis to maximise their profits and consumers are free to look for workarounds until such workarounds are conclusively established as being illegal.

 

 

Illegal??  Where in NZ law does it say that  getting around geoblocking is illegal??   Comments like yours show that you are also a corporate shill and hense the reason that this discussion went underground..

 

 

Comments like yours show a massive comprehension fail. He didn't say geoblocking is illegal, he said consumers are free to look around for options to get around geoblocking UNTIL such options are defined as being illegal. How about stopping with the unfounded ad hominems?


BDFL - Memuneh
60048 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 11134

Administrator
Trusted
Geekzone
Lifetime subscriber

  Reply # 1598101 25-Jul-2016 11:32
2 people support this post
Send private message

old3eyes:

 

dejadeadnz:

 

Rikkitic:

 

The corporate shill speaks. Does anyone seriously believe that the industry and all the parasitic hangers-on are not trying to clip the ticket for as much as they can squeeze out of end-consumers? Geo-blocking is all about profit maximisation and nothing else.

 

 

Earth to Rikkitic: if you were some regional rights holder who paid for regional rights to X programmes, you'd want your rights respected too. The reality is that contents producers are free to sell their contents on a regional basis to maximise their profits and consumers are free to look for workarounds until such workarounds are conclusively established as being illegal. 

 

 

Illegal??  Where in NZ law does it say that  getting around geoblocking is illegal??   Comments like yours show that you are also a corporate shill and hense the reason that this discussion went underground..

 

 

@Old3eyes, this is getting out of hand. It seems some always find a reason to point fingers at otheres but nowhere in the quoted post he said it was illegal.

 

This is getting like Trump's tactics of creating his own reality.

 

This crap stops here and now.





6881 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3225

Subscriber

  Reply # 1598102 25-Jul-2016 11:32
One person supports this post
Send private message

networkn:

 

Rikkitic:

 

The corporate shill speaks. Does anyone seriously believe that the industry and all the parasitic hangers-on are not trying to clip the ticket for as much as they can squeeze out of end-consumers? Geo-blocking is all about profit maximisation and nothing else.

 

 

 

 

Is there some other reason businesses are operating other than profit maximisation? I think you are confusing what you want from a corporation, as something you hope for, from a charity.

 

 

 

 

I sincerely believe there is a fundamental distinction between fair and reasonable profit, and maximising profit as much as possible by any means possible. Fair profit is what is necessary to remain in business and have a decent income. Maximised profit is what today's shareholders scream for, but it wasn't always this way. It wasn't this way when I grew up in the 1960s. It only became this way in the 1980s after the Wolf of Wall Street and speculative investors started getting high on cocaine and making increasingly shrill demands for more and more and more. Fair profit is not the same as maximised profit and where that is concerned I feel no confusion at all.

 

 





I reject your reality and substitute my own. - Adam Savage
 


1 | ... | 52 | 53 | 54 | 55 | 56 | 57 | 58 | 59 | 60 | 61 | 62 | 63 | 64 | 65 | 66 | 67 | 68 | 69 | 70
Filter this topic showing only the reply marked as answer View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic



Twitter »

Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Opera launches new mobile browser: Opera Touch
Posted 25-Apr-2018 20:45


TCF and Telcos Toughen Up on Scam Callers
Posted 23-Apr-2018 09:39


Amazon launches the International Shopping Experience in the Amazon Shopping App
Posted 19-Apr-2018 08:38


Spark New Zealand and TVNZ to bring coverage of Rugby World Cup 2019
Posted 16-Apr-2018 06:55


How Google can seize Microsoft Office crown
Posted 14-Apr-2018 11:08


How back office transformation drives IRD efficiency
Posted 12-Apr-2018 21:15


iPod laws in a smartphone world: will we ever get copyright right?
Posted 12-Apr-2018 21:13


Lightbox service using big data and analytics to learn more about customers
Posted 9-Apr-2018 12:11


111 mobile caller location extended to iOS
Posted 6-Apr-2018 13:50


Huawei announces the HUAWEI P20 series
Posted 29-Mar-2018 11:41


Symantec Internet Security Threat Report shows increased endpoint technology risks
Posted 26-Mar-2018 18:29


Spark switches on long-range IoT network across New Zealand
Posted 26-Mar-2018 18:22


Stuff Pix enters streaming video market
Posted 21-Mar-2018 09:18


Windows no longer Microsoft’s main focus
Posted 13-Mar-2018 07:47


Why phone makers are obsessed with cameras
Posted 11-Mar-2018 12:25



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.