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  Reply # 1599886 27-Jul-2016 23:05
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5 TV series, thats up to $25 per month for them, and nothing else?

 

I can see where yay are going All you can eat. Musicians get F all of that. Do you get all you can eat latest games for how much her month?

 

 

 

Where I am heading is there is a cost. And all you can eat works very well for past it titles, whether that be music, games or video. NF has heaps, but its old and its cheap. An SVOD that had all the latest and greatest will have very low content, but top content and probably cost 3 x as much. My take is everything costs, its good to be happy to pay, but are we all happy ro pay what it really costs, or is is what SUITS ME?

 



Five tv series is plenty for me, under the current model it will be 2-4 times more expensive without vpn's. The list of music service providers show that there are many ways to monetise a service. All you can eat is just one model, I'd expect an all and anything you can eat model in 4k to cost far more, but I don't think many people would realistically expect that. A free service with ads would be an attractive service for people that currently pirate, it would also lead to making pirating unacceptable for many people that currently believe it is ok given the lack of options.

There are just so many different ways content can be monetized, but we currently have only one or two expensive or very limited choices with tv content in NZ. And I know why sky are pushing thier model... Its profitable and they answer to thier shareholders... But it is also shortsighted as they won't be able to stop the alternatives as people become more Tec savy.

 

You've lost me. All you can eat SVOD for free with ads. Thats a lot of ads. You don't seem to know much about Sky, you talk as though they are staying with their successful and back in the day till just a few short years ago, satellite service that works great. Iv not met anyone who thinks that Sky are trying to stop the alternatives. If you were more up to speed you would know where and how Sky are going, and when. 


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charliebrownnz:
5 TV series, thats up to $25 per month for them, and nothing else?

 

I can see where yay are going All you can eat. Musicians get F all of that. Do you get all you can eat latest games for how much her month?

 

 

 

Where I am heading is there is a cost. And all you can eat works very well for past it titles, whether that be music, games or video. NF has heaps, but its old and its cheap. An SVOD that had all the latest and greatest will have very low content, but top content and probably cost 3 x as much. My take is everything costs, its good to be happy to pay, but are we all happy ro pay what it really costs, or is is what SUITS ME?

 



Five tv series is plenty for me, under the current model it will be 2-4 times more expensive without vpn's. The list of music service providers show that there are many ways to monetise a service. All you can eat is just one model, I'd expect an all and anything you can eat model in 4k to cost far more, but I don't think many people would realistically expect that. A free service with ads would be an attractive service for people that currently pirate, it would also lead to making pirating unacceptable for many people that currently believe it is ok given the lack of options.

There are just so many different ways content can be monetized, but we currently have only one or two expensive or very limited choices with tv content in NZ. And I know why sky are pushing thier model... Its profitable and they answer to thier shareholders... But it is also shortsighted as they won't be able to stop the alternatives as people become more Tec savy.

 

You've lost me. All you can eat SVOD for free with ads. Thats a lot of ads. You don't seem to know much about Sky, you talk as though they are staying with their successful and back in the day till just a few short years ago, satellite service that works great. Iv not met anyone who thinks that Sky are trying to stop the alternatives. If you were more up to speed you would know where and how Sky are going, and when. 

 

 

Sorry - I didn't clarify that free tv would be low definition. Its hard to believe that people that currently pay for US netflix would go with that model as quality means alot for some people (ironically sky couldn't even deliver HD streamed content until recently if I recall right), they would most likely go for some paid service. But those options exist now for music, you can get spotify free which is limited, or youtube which once again is less convenient in most situations. And sky are trying to stop the alternatives - the whole global mode court case is an example. And its generally accepted that its rights holders pressuring content producers to pressure netflix to block geo-unblockers. And the mindset that if a rights holder doesn't make much money from every customer it is a loss is out of date, very narrow thinking. Alot of pirates will never pay a dime, but that little bit of ad revenue is better than the current... nothing - and for other pirates it is an opportunity to upsell - want to get rid of those ads?, or watch a show in HD then there are 100 ways you can pay for it and view it without having to pay $99 a month.

 

And prices for the latest shows can be higher, for shows like GOT - $5 a month is quite high considering you get 4 new episodes that month, or they could charge more. IF I want to watch it in NZ at the moment what are my options? $50 a month with sky, VPN and HBO, or pirate? nb, I don't even watch GOT but its the most obvious example.

 

As for games, they've never had the bundling tax that sky and netflix have, so an all you can eat plan isn't quite so relevent - and with how affordable the games are there isn't much demand for renting (if you want to you can use consoles though). 


 
 
 
 


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What would you be prepared to pay for your 5 shows, in HD, little or no ads?

 

And unsure where you get Sky at $99 from


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  Reply # 1599993 28-Jul-2016 08:21
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tdgeek:

 

charliebrownnz:
5 TV series, thats up to $25 per month for them, and nothing else?

 

I can see where yay are going All you can eat. Musicians get F all of that. Do you get all you can eat latest games for how much her month?

 

 

 

Where I am heading is there is a cost. And all you can eat works very well for past it titles, whether that be music, games or video. NF has heaps, but its old and its cheap. An SVOD that had all the latest and greatest will have very low content, but top content and probably cost 3 x as much. My take is everything costs, its good to be happy to pay, but are we all happy ro pay what it really costs, or is is what SUITS ME?

 



Five tv series is plenty for me, under the current model it will be 2-4 times more expensive without vpn's. The list of music service providers show that there are many ways to monetise a service. All you can eat is just one model, I'd expect an all and anything you can eat model in 4k to cost far more, but I don't think many people would realistically expect that. A free service with ads would be an attractive service for people that currently pirate, it would also lead to making pirating unacceptable for many people that currently believe it is ok given the lack of options.

There are just so many different ways content can be monetized, but we currently have only one or two expensive or very limited choices with tv content in NZ. And I know why sky are pushing thier model... Its profitable and they answer to thier shareholders... But it is also shortsighted as they won't be able to stop the alternatives as people become more Tec savy.

 

You've lost me. All you can eat SVOD for free with ads. Thats a lot of ads. You don't seem to know much about Sky, you talk as though they are staying with their successful and back in the day till just a few short years ago, satellite service that works great. Iv not met anyone who thinks that Sky are trying to stop the alternatives. If you were more up to speed you would know where and how Sky are going, and when. 

 

 

Sorry - I didn't clarify that free tv would be low definition. Its hard to believe that people that currently pay for US netflix would go with that model as quality means alot for some people (ironically sky couldn't even deliver HD streamed content until recently if I recall right), they would most likely go for some paid service. But those options exist now for music, you can get spotify free which is limited, or youtube which once again is less convenient in most situations. And sky are trying to stop the alternatives - the whole global mode court case is an example. And its generally accepted that its rights holders pressuring content producers to pressure netflix to block geo-unblockers. And the mindset that if a rights holder doesn't make much money from every customer it is a loss is out of date, very narrow thinking. Alot of pirates will never pay a dime, but that little bit of ad revenue is better than the current... nothing - and for other pirates it is an opportunity to upsell - want to get rid of those ads?, or watch a show in HD then there are 100 ways you can pay for it and view it without having to pay $99 a month.

 

And prices for the latest shows can be higher, for shows like GOT - $5 a month is quite high considering you get 4 new episodes that month, or they could charge more. IF I want to watch it in NZ at the moment what are my options? $50 a month with sky, VPN and HBO, or pirate? nb, I don't even watch GOT but its the most obvious example.

 

As for games, they've never had the bundling tax that sky and netflix have, so an all you can eat plan isn't quite so relevent - and with how affordable the games are there isn't much demand for renting (if you want to you can use consoles though). 

 

 

GOT is US$15/month.  Its called HBONow.  And its waaaay more expensive than $5/month.  

 

global mode was about NZ rights holders being unable to monetise the rights that they had paid for.  If they could have got a refund from the rights sellers due to the loss of exclusivity then I'm sure that they would have been happy with that idea.  Doubtful that any rights seller would have entertained that idea.  

 

I dont think its generally accepted that rights holders have pressured content producers to pressure netflix.  Thats a supposition and conclusion that you're reaching all on ytour own.  More likely that content producers have pressured netflix given that future sales of rights (a good example is Disney's deal with Netflix) would be affected in all markets (including the US).  If Disney had allowed Netflix to overlook its terms and conditions of sale and sold Disney content outside of the US then that devalues all Disney content in the rest of the world (and the direct corollary is that Disney would want more for the US rights which would be sold to the US consumer plus overseas consumers using geoblocking).  

 

 


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Geo-unblocking is not piracy... at least not in NZ.  Here we go again... yet another thread lost to general debate on piracy and the cost of SVOD services/how much would you pay. This is getting tiresome. The thread is "Netflix to crack down on unblockers".





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