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  Reply # 1486094 5-Feb-2016 17:12
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I find it very unlikely that Paypal said this

 

"Paypal indicated that UnoTelly is not allowed to provide services that enable open and unrestricted Internet access."

 

That would be Unotelly's interpretation of what Paypal said.

 

It's most likely Paypal quoted their terms when cancelling their account instead of saying "We hate the open internet"

 

https://www.paypal.com/nz/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full#10

 

At least a few of these could easily be being breached by Unotelly

 

(and note that Paypal doesn't have to prove anything, they have complete discretion about choosing to cut their customers off and end the contract)

 

 

 

10.1 Restricted Activities. In connection with your use of our website, your Account, the PayPal Services, or in the course of your interactions with PayPal, other Users, or third parties, you will not:

 

     

  1. Breach this Agreement, the Commercial Entity Agreement, the Acceptable Use Policy or any other Policy that you have agreed to with PayPal;
  2. Violate any law, statute, ordinance, or regulation;
  3. Infringe PayPal's or any third party's copyright, patent, trademark, trade secret or other intellectual property rights, or rights of publicity or privacy;
  4. Sell counterfeit goods;
  5. Act in a manner that is defamatory, trade libelous, threatening or harassing to our employees, agents or other Users;
  6. Provide false, inaccurate or misleading Information;
  7. Engage in potentially fraudulent or suspicious activity and/or transactions;
  8. Refuse to cooperate in an investigation or provide confirmation of your identity or any Information you provide to us;
  9. Receive or attempt to receive funds from both PayPal and the Seller, bank or card issuer for the same transaction during the course of a Dispute;
  10. Control an Account that is linked to another Account that has engaged in any of these Restricted Activities;
  11. Conduct your business or use the PayPal Services in a manner that results in or may result in complaints, Disputes, Claims, Reversals, Chargebacks, fees, fines, penalties and other liability to PayPal, other Users, third parties or you;
  12. Have a credit score from a credit reporting agency that indicates a high level of risk associated with your use of the PayPal Services;
  13. Use your Account or the PayPal Services in a manner that PayPal, Visa, MasterCard, American Express, Discover or any other electronic funds transfer network reasonably believes to be an abuse of the card system or a violation of card association or network rules;
  14. Allow your Account to have a negative balance;
  15. Use a credit card with your Account to provide yourself a cash advance (or help others to do so);
  16. Access the PayPal Services from a country that is not listed on PayPal's Worldwide page.
  17. Disclose or distribute another User's Information to a third party, or use the Information for marketing purposes unless you receive the User’s express consent to do so;
  18. Send unsolicited email to a User or use the PayPal Services to collect payments for sending, or assisting in sending, unsolicited email to third parties;
  19. Take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure;
  20. Facilitate any viruses, trojan horses, worms or other computer programming routines that may damage, detrimentally interfere with, surreptitiously intercept or expropriate any system, data or Information;
  21. Use an anonymizing proxy; use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy our website without our prior written permission;
  22. Use any device, software or routine to bypass our robot exclusion headers, or interfere or attempt to interfere with our website or the PayPal Services; or
  23. Take any action that may cause us to lose any of the services from our Internet service providers, payment processors, or other suppliers.

 

 

 

 

 

11.3 Actions by PayPal – Restricted Activities. If PayPal, in its sole discretion, believes that you may have engaged in any Restricted Activities, we may take various actions to protect PayPal, Affiliates other Users, other third parties or you from Reversals, Chargebacks, Claims, fees, fines, penalties and any other liability. The actions we may take include but are not limited to the following:

 

     

  1. We may close, suspend, or limit your access to your Account or the PayPal Services;
  2. We may suspend your eligibility  for PayPal Buyer Protection and/or PayPal Seller Protection;
  3. We may refuse to provide the PayPal Services to you now and in the future; and
  4. We may hold your funds for a period of time reasonably needed to protect against the risk of liability to PayPal or a third party, or if we believe that you may be engaging in potentially fraudulent or suspicious activity and/or transactions.

 

 


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  Reply # 1486334 6-Feb-2016 00:08
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Can we be sure that this communication from Unotelly is genuine? And if so, what do our most regular offshore shoppers think is the best alternative method of payment to resort to?


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1486342 6-Feb-2016 01:39
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Hello Geekzoners,

 

To begin with I want to apologize for this inconvenience. It is true that we no longer accept payments from Paypal. Paypal has severed payment processing agreement unilaterally and without prior warning and this development is outside of our control.

 

We can only accept credit card payments at the time being. I’m happy to let you know that we are working on adding alternate payment methods in the coming weeks so keep an eye out for that! Here is how to update your payment method: http://help.unotelly.com/support/solutions/articles/216145 .If you have any problems switching over to credit card, please let me know and we can help.

 

Closing, if you have a preferred method of payment, please leave a comment below and I will pass it to our team.

 

 

 

Thank you,

 

Kostas Polichronos

 

www.UnoTelly.com


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  Reply # 1486343 6-Feb-2016 01:40
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Torrenfreak have a story on it it's not just unotelly

 

 

 

https://torrentfreak.com/paypal-starts-banning-vpn-and-smartdns-services-160205/


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  Reply # 1486355 6-Feb-2016 08:29
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networkn:

 

[snip]Paypal indicated that UnoTelly is not allowed to provide services that enable open and unrestricted Internet access.[snip]

 

 

 

 

I'm going to play devils advocate here for a second and ask a couple of questions....

 

- Is that the wording they used? Because it sounds more like an emotive twist on what would have been said... Did Paypal use the phrase "not allowed to provide open and unrestricted access" or something similar?

 

- Would you agree that Unotelly's primary use is to allow users to circumvent terms and conditions of providers such as Netflix? Note I'm not saying it's illegal.

 

 [edit - CHuckle - posted this before reading NPMs first post on the second page of comments!]

 

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  Reply # 1486361 6-Feb-2016 08:47
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Just wondering are there other trusted payment services in USA or elsewhere that can be used instead of Paypal. Surely there are alternatives? I would like to be able to stop using their service but it is handy and in  some ways better than using credit cards.

 

 





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  Reply # 1486364 6-Feb-2016 09:09
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ronw:

 

Just wondering are there other trusted payment services in USA or elsewhere that can be used instead of Paypal. Surely there are alternatives? I would like to be able to stop using their service but it is handy and in  some ways better than using credit cards.

 

 

 

 

So much better that they can freeze your account and confiscate your funds if they decide they don't like you. This kind of thing is why I have always refused to have an account with them. I don't care how secure they are. I just keep a separate debit card account for Internet payments and control the balance that is on it at any time. Much better than submitting myself to a 'service' that thinks it should act as the moral police of the Internet. They also did this to Wikileaks and Usenet. People really need to vote with their feet here.

 

 





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  Reply # 1486371 6-Feb-2016 10:02
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I just checked with another (non-American) unblocking service that uses Paypal and they say they have not been affected. I don't want to state their name in case that causes trouble for them. It makes me wonder, though, if Unotelly are being singled out for the Paypal treatment, and if so, why?

 

 





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  Reply # 1486936 7-Feb-2016 13:10
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and, just to close the loop,  here is the actual statement from PayPal

 

 

 

"As a global payments company, we have to comply with laws set by governments and regulatory agencies. PayPal does not permit the use of its service for transactions that infringe copyrights or other proprietary rights. This policy extends to services that unlawfully facilitate infringement by intentionally enabling access to copyrighted television shows or movies in places where distribution of the content is not authorized by the copyright owners. In line with this policy, PayPal has recently discontinued service to certain businesses that actively promote their services as a means to circumvent copyright restrictions and violate intellectual property laws. We apologize for any disappointment this may cause our users."


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  Reply # 1486943 7-Feb-2016 13:18
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NonprayingMantis:

 

and, just to close the loop,  here is the actual statement from PayPal

 

 

 

"As a global payments company, we have to comply with laws set by governments and regulatory agencies. PayPal does not permit the use of its service for transactions that infringe copyrights or other proprietary rights. This policy extends to services that unlawfully facilitate infringement by intentionally enabling access to copyrighted television shows or movies in places where distribution of the content is not authorized by the copyright owners. In line with this policy, PayPal has recently discontinued service to certain businesses that actively promote their services as a means to circumvent copyright restrictions and violate intellectual property laws. We apologize for any disappointment this may cause our users."

 

 

 

 

I would hardly think that Unotelly would hardly being infringing on copyrights but you as a media company lawyer will disagree.





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  Reply # 1486960 7-Feb-2016 13:57
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If someones breaking the law, I thought it was up to the courts to decide, not a payment facility.

End of day Paypals loss, someone else will get the commisson for accepting the payment now, there's other options.

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  Reply # 1486962 7-Feb-2016 14:02
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rugrat: If someones breaking the law, I thought it was up to the courts to decide, not a payment facility.

End of day Paypals loss, someone else will get the commisson for accepting the payment now, there's other options.


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  Reply # 1486966 7-Feb-2016 14:06
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old3eyes:

 

NonprayingMantis:

 

and, just to close the loop,  here is the actual statement from PayPal

 

 

 

"As a global payments company, we have to comply with laws set by governments and regulatory agencies. PayPal does not permit the use of its service for transactions that infringe copyrights or other proprietary rights. This policy extends to services that unlawfully facilitate infringement by intentionally enabling access to copyrighted television shows or movies in places where distribution of the content is not authorized by the copyright owners. In line with this policy, PayPal has recently discontinued service to certain businesses that actively promote their services as a means to circumvent copyright restrictions and violate intellectual property laws. We apologize for any disappointment this may cause our users."

 

 

 

 

I would hardly think that Unotelly would hardly being infringing on copyrights but you as a media company lawyer will disagree.

 

 

Maybe Paypal's legal advice differs from your legal advice?


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  Reply # 1486972 7-Feb-2016 14:13
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Paypal has a history of making legal decisions without bothering with the courts, then issuing exactly this kind of sanctimonious, self-righteous statement. If you want them to quit displaying this kind of contempt, quit feeding them with your business.

 

 





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  Reply # 1486978 7-Feb-2016 14:23
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As someone who a) uses UnoTelly b) uses PayPal as a customer c) uses PayPal as a business owner, I feel as if I've got my hands tied to PayPal as there is no alternative out there.

 

PayPal has become a monopoly of sorts. The Microsoft of online payments.

 

Google had a rival service for online payment which I used with one business but it was shut down.

 

It was the only serious attempt to rival PayPal, why did Google give up on it? I do wonder if the credit card companies are the real puppet masters with UnoTelly, Google Pay closing etc.

 

If there's an alternative out there, with an established brand, I'd love to know about it.

 

In fact if there's a better way of enabling your customer base to pay for digital goods online you'd make my day if you enlightened me to it?

 

Rikkitic:

 

Paypal has a history of making legal decisions without bothering with the courts, then issuing exactly this kind of sanctimonious, self-righteous statement. If you want them to quit displaying this kind of contempt, quit feeding them with your business. 


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