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  Reply # 1839255 4-Aug-2017 16:14
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sbiddle:

 

Sounddude:

 

debo:

 

Sky is claiming $570,000 lost per month. At $80 per customer, that implies  7125 devices sold. I do not think that many have been sold.

 

 

 

 

True, the counter argument of that is, how many of those customers would have bought Sky if they didn't have access to that box. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He's now claiming he's sold 8000 boxes.

 

I suspect that figure is probably highly inflated - and maybe these sellers will regret trying to inflate sales figures when damages are awarded based on the number sold!

 

 

 

 

I would say it's around that amount, he has been spamming a lot of people (last email out he said was 50k worth of address).  It's not just NZ he will sell too. I think a few have ended up in the Pacific Islands.

 

 


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  Reply # 1839261 4-Aug-2017 16:23
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It's still piracy. That will always be illegal. 

 

 

I don't believe it will.. I'm approaching 40, and I've been "pirating" things for easily 32-33 years. Taping music from the radio or dubbing friends tapes, then copying/ripping CD's, then downloading MP3's, then streaming. Copying computer software on tape then disk, then downloading from underground bulletin boards and then the internet. Recording TV onto VHS, then ripping DVD's, then downloading from the internet and streaming. Not everyone my age pirated like this, especially in the earlier days it was really the realm of geeks, but it's utterly normal for those younger than me. Everyone I know under 30 simply accepts piracy as normality, and as the older generations die off, and these generations come to power, I think concepts like copyright are going to be eroded and then disposed of. Look at the rise of the pirate bay, the copy left movement, the kopimi movement, pirate/internet parties around the world.. 





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  Reply # 1839277 4-Aug-2017 16:38
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Lias:

 

chevrolux:

 

 

 

It's still piracy. That will always be illegal. 

 

 

I don't believe it will.. I'm approaching 40, and I've been "pirating" things for easily 32-33 years. Taping music from the radio or dubbing friends tapes, then copying/ripping CD's, then downloading MP3's, then streaming. Copying computer software on tape then disk, then downloading from underground bulletin boards and then the internet. Recording TV onto VHS, then ripping DVD's, then downloading from the internet and streaming. Not everyone my age pirated like this, especially in the earlier days it was really the realm of geeks, but it's utterly normal for those younger than me. Everyone I know under 30 simply accepts piracy as normality, and as the older generations die off, and these generations come to power, I think concepts like copyright are going to be eroded and then disposed of. Look at the rise of the pirate bay, the copy left movement, the kopimi movement, pirate/internet parties around the world.. 

 

 

*shakes head* 

 

So what you are saying is that everything will be free but you still expect to people to make content?  Man lucky those people can live off hugs and good will.

 

 

 

Maybe you should show us the way to this "free world" and start by doing your job and not taking a wage.  I'm sure that will catch on real fast.


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  Reply # 1839299 4-Aug-2017 18:14
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Just for arguments sake... let’s combine AI and CGI and free movies are a reality WITHOUT hugs or handshakes even being necessary? 😬

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  Reply # 1839305 4-Aug-2017 18:36
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That is quite naive to think those things have no costs...

Unless that was sarcasm.




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  Reply # 1839309 4-Aug-2017 18:46
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tripp:

 

Lias:

 

chevrolux:

 

 

 

It's still piracy. That will always be illegal. 

 

 

I don't believe it will.. I'm approaching 40, and I've been "pirating" things for easily 32-33 years. Taping music from the radio or dubbing friends tapes, then copying/ripping CD's, then downloading MP3's, then streaming. Copying computer software on tape then disk, then downloading from underground bulletin boards and then the internet. Recording TV onto VHS, then ripping DVD's, then downloading from the internet and streaming. Not everyone my age pirated like this, especially in the earlier days it was really the realm of geeks, but it's utterly normal for those younger than me. Everyone I know under 30 simply accepts piracy as normality, and as the older generations die off, and these generations come to power, I think concepts like copyright are going to be eroded and then disposed of. Look at the rise of the pirate bay, the copy left movement, the kopimi movement, pirate/internet parties around the world.. 

 

 

*shakes head* 

 

So what you are saying is that everything will be free but you still expect to people to make content?  Man lucky those people can live off hugs and good will.

 

 

 

Maybe you should show us the way to this "free world" and start by doing your job and not taking a wage.  I'm sure that will catch on real fast.

 

 

I don't think content can or should be free, but copyright and the large corporate interests that feed on it need to radically change. The first step would be to ban geo-blocking.

 

 





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  Reply # 1839327 4-Aug-2017 19:23
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As much as I don't like Sky, You just can't sell a Kodi box pre loaded with apps made to access pirated content. I hope they have a good lawyer.


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  Reply # 1839349 4-Aug-2017 20:02
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Lias:

 

chevrolux:

 

 

 

It's still piracy. That will always be illegal. 

 

 

I don't believe it will.. I'm approaching 40, and I've been "pirating" things for easily 32-33 years. Taping music from the radio or dubbing friends tapes, then copying/ripping CD's, then downloading MP3's, then streaming. Copying computer software on tape then disk, then downloading from underground bulletin boards and then the internet. Recording TV onto VHS, then ripping DVD's, then downloading from the internet and streaming. Not everyone my age pirated like this, especially in the earlier days it was really the realm of geeks, but it's utterly normal for those younger than me. Everyone I know under 30 simply accepts piracy as normality, and as the older generations die off, and these generations come to power, I think concepts like copyright are going to be eroded and then disposed of. Look at the rise of the pirate bay, the copy left movement, the kopimi movement, pirate/internet parties around the world.. 

 



I'm well under 30 and I definitely went through a pirate phase when content was not easily accessible. However, that's not really the case anymore, there are so many legal options. Unless you're pirating content that's impossible to access legally in NZ, I don't think piracy should be accepted/considered normal. I do realise this view probably isn't shared by most of my generation, so your comment is fairly accurate.


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  Reply # 1839350 4-Aug-2017 20:04
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tripp:

 

Lias:

 

chevrolux:

 

 

 

It's still piracy. That will always be illegal. 

 

 

I don't believe it will.. I'm approaching 40, and I've been "pirating" things for easily 32-33 years. Taping music from the radio or dubbing friends tapes, then copying/ripping CD's, then downloading MP3's, then streaming. Copying computer software on tape then disk, then downloading from underground bulletin boards and then the internet. Recording TV onto VHS, then ripping DVD's, then downloading from the internet and streaming. Not everyone my age pirated like this, especially in the earlier days it was really the realm of geeks, but it's utterly normal for those younger than me. Everyone I know under 30 simply accepts piracy as normality, and as the older generations die off, and these generations come to power, I think concepts like copyright are going to be eroded and then disposed of. Look at the rise of the pirate bay, the copy left movement, the kopimi movement, pirate/internet parties around the world.. 

 

 

*shakes head* 

 

So what you are saying is that everything will be free but you still expect to people to make content?  Man lucky those people can live off hugs and good will.

 

 

 

Maybe you should show us the way to this "free world" and start by doing your job and not taking a wage.  I'm sure that will catch on real fast.

 

 

Yep, Im off to Briscoes tomorrow to take what I want as its not illegal. Its just a lazy cop out from who eats everything for nothing. Cheapskate.

 

And if the content creators sold direct at $x per view on a proprietary browser that was accessed by PPV, the world will end.

 

As you say  doing your job and not taking a wage. I wonder who is first in line for a pay rise???


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  Reply # 1839351 4-Aug-2017 20:07
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PhantomNVD: Just for arguments sake... let’s combine AI and CGI and free movies are a reality WITHOUT hugs or handshakes even being necessary? 😬

 

yeah, they are free too


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  Reply # 1839352 4-Aug-2017 20:08
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dickytim: That is quite naive to think those things have no costs...

Unless that was sarcasm.

 

it was sadly the truth not sarcasm. 


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  Reply # 1839355 4-Aug-2017 20:11
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Rikkitic:

 

tripp:

 

Lias:

 

chevrolux:

 

 

 

It's still piracy. That will always be illegal. 

 

 

I don't believe it will.. I'm approaching 40, and I've been "pirating" things for easily 32-33 years. Taping music from the radio or dubbing friends tapes, then copying/ripping CD's, then downloading MP3's, then streaming. Copying computer software on tape then disk, then downloading from underground bulletin boards and then the internet. Recording TV onto VHS, then ripping DVD's, then downloading from the internet and streaming. Not everyone my age pirated like this, especially in the earlier days it was really the realm of geeks, but it's utterly normal for those younger than me. Everyone I know under 30 simply accepts piracy as normality, and as the older generations die off, and these generations come to power, I think concepts like copyright are going to be eroded and then disposed of. Look at the rise of the pirate bay, the copy left movement, the kopimi movement, pirate/internet parties around the world.. 

 

 

*shakes head* 

 

So what you are saying is that everything will be free but you still expect to people to make content?  Man lucky those people can live off hugs and good will.

 

 

 

Maybe you should show us the way to this "free world" and start by doing your job and not taking a wage.  I'm sure that will catch on real fast.

 

 

I don't think content can or should be free, but copyright and the large corporate interests that feed on it need to radically change. The first step would be to ban geo-blocking.

 

 

 

 

I dont disagree, but as long as the revenue was met thats ok. Rights bring value, brings advertising, brings subscribers. 


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  Reply # 1839358 4-Aug-2017 20:12
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I was curious as to what sky can actually achieve.   

 

They are suing a limited liability company with no cash.  

 

Maybe they can force it to shutdown, only for another company to popup selling the same box. 

 

Somehow the company director needs to face criminal charges, sky are pursuing a civil case right? 

 

It might be like whackamole, pointless ,but more costly. 


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  Reply # 1839360 4-Aug-2017 20:18
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surfisup1000:

 

I was curious as to what sky can actually achieve.   

 

They are suing a limited liability company with no cash.  

 

Maybe they can force it to shutdown, only for another company to popup selling the same box. 

 

Somehow the company director needs to face criminal charges, sky are pursuing a civil case right? 

 

It might be like whackamole, pointless ,but more costly. 

 

 

Line in the sand. 

 

Many here hate Sky, and on this topic many support Sky. If we are to have an equilibrium, we start off sensible and work from there. IMHO

 

Or do you suggest we let off poor burglars?


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  Reply # 1839397 4-Aug-2017 23:41
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You can add a 2nd distribution to the list.

And oddly it was another mailbomb that our illustrious leader got in the first round in 2016 that he thinks has kicked it off

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/95450190/We-are-not-going-to-sit-and-take-it-Internet-TV-box-seller-defiant-as-Sky-sues?cid=app-android 


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