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# 237848 20-Jun-2018 17:26
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Can someone either point me in the direction of the information or provide it.

 

Is it allowed, in an article to refer by link to a torrent site? Say like rarbg. I ask as its well documented that illegal media abounds on some torrent sites.

 

I have no real idea of the rules and regs regarding referencing such sites. I mean I would think it obvious that, to  say display a image of the latest movie and a link directly to the torrent would be illegal. I just wonder if by just linking to the site one could get in trouble with the powers that be!





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  # 2041256 20-Jun-2018 17:28
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I just don't know why you would do that for any legitimate purpose ???


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  # 2041287 20-Jun-2018 18:22
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I'm no lawyer but... (you should ask one)

 

Was my understanding that copyright law is treated as a civil suit in NZ, not a criminal one. So I don't think it's illegal in NZ, it's case by case and the judge would decide after you get taken to court by the rights holder.

Also depends on what your linking to.. is it copyrighted or copyrightable in NZ? Is the hosting/domain NZ based? 

 

If US based then DMCA is a criminal thing IIRC, and you could get done for it pretty easily.





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  # 2041314 20-Jun-2018 19:46
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If you search Google for 'popular_movie_name torrent' you get results like:

In response to a complaint that we received under the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read the DMCA complaint that caused the removal(s) at LumenDatabase.org.


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  # 2041370 20-Jun-2018 21:33
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Thankfully we don't (yet) live in a country where media companies control the government, because I personally find the entire idea of merely linking to content being illegal to be utterly repugnant. 





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  # 2041414 20-Jun-2018 21:52
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Hmmm ok interesting responses.

 

So the medium article I write was going to have the line in it something like

 

In New Zealand one can can go directly to such sites as rarbg (this would have a link to rarbg to show the ease of access) as you can see, however in the UK you would return the response of (Screen shot depicting blocking by the government).

 

You see nothing nefarious going on here! or even being suggested.

 

 

 

 





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  # 2041677 21-Jun-2018 13:33
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Some websites say if you watch a movie online but don't download it i.e put a copy on your computer that's not tecchnically illegal in NZ but is if you download a copy of it. Perhaps someone can clarify if this is true?




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  # 2041732 21-Jun-2018 14:35
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geek4me: Some websites say if you watch a movie online but don't download it i.e put a copy on your computer that's not tecchnically illegal in NZ but is if you download a copy of it. Perhaps someone can clarify if this is true?

 

 

 

I don't see how this could be true, because even if you don't "download" it as a file you still need to download the data to see the movie.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2041751 21-Jun-2018 15:01
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YouTube has plenty of movies that are watched live. Admittedly many are poor quality. But if you watch them you're breaking NZ law? We have more criminals in NZ than I thought. No wonder we need new jails. It may require a court case to decide the matter.




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  # 2041758 21-Jun-2018 15:22
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blackjack17:

 

geek4me: Some websites say if you watch a movie online but don't download it i.e put a copy on your computer that's not tecchnically illegal in NZ but is if you download a copy of it. Perhaps someone can clarify if this is true?

 

 

 

I don't see how this could be true, because even if you don't "download" it as a file you still need to download the data to see the movie.

 

 

Streaming != file sharing - AFAIK the copyright law changes were for file sharing hence it doesnt apply to streaming.

 

Another perculiarity AFAIK is that connections over mobile data are specifically excluded ie you can torrent over mobile without fear of prosecution.


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  # 2041839 21-Jun-2018 16:47
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Interestingly a quick google search of NZ Copyright Law claims brings up just the one case of the law being applied in NZ which is more than 5 years old now. I would guess with the likes of Spotify, Apple Music, Tidal, Pandora, Google Play etc etc, the "need" to download songs and albums is largely eliminated.

 

The movie industry is still somewhat behind the music industry, trying desperately to cling on to regional pricing models and protecting their premium product (movie experience) when the barriers do little other than to drive people to find workarounds (DNS / VPN access to bypass geoblocks or out and out downloading of an unauthorized copy).

 

I have mentioned elsewhere on this forum previously about the movie industries reluctance (refusal) to pay to have notices issued for breaches of copyright works. I have been out of the industry for 4 years now, so it is quite possible that the position has changed, but if so I would have expected to see more cases of movie sharing prosecutions within the first few pages from Google.

 

As for your article, best to get an IP lawyer to actually check over the legalities of linking to pirated content, it "could" breach the divide between being informative about how easy it is to find and enabling / aiding in the distribution of copyright material.

 

 


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