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  Reply # 2113824 25-Oct-2018 12:54
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I wonder if sky will bring back (or spark will offer) the $10-$14 24 hour access.  Sky got rid of it to force people to get a decoder....but I wonder if they noticed a drop in fanpass users as a result?  There's occasions I'd be interested in that type of access, bathurst, All blacks games type thing.  Or special events (like the olympics for a one off charge).  

 

 

It was $15/day, $20/week and $60/mth.  Sky got rid of it cos the "casual user" economics didnt stack up - not to force people to get a decoder.  Fanpass is $55/mth (6m contract - cf $99/mth for the casual user who is expensive to serve) compared to $55/mth for basic+sport via satellite.  The absence of a price difference is coincident isnt it?  

 

Given the number of people that would hang out for a $5 Friday for FanPass suggests that $15/day didnt attract enough to justify a price point.  Would you pay $10/hr to watch a Super15 game or an AllBlacks test or an F1 race?  How does that compare to the cost to watch a movie at the cinema?  Live sport has a price (think in terms of $/hr) vs movies vs delayed sport vs general entertainment.  Quantify it for you personally - how much would you spend per hour of entertainment on each of those categories?

 

 

$10-$15 is about the equivalent of a movie price, and I think that is about right.   There's no way I'd pay the $99 for a month....especialy since it 4 sport channels, and you can actually get a subscription for a month for $25 + $29 nowadays.  But at the time they changed the pricing it was close to $100.





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  Reply # 2113828 25-Oct-2018 13:05
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davidcole:

 

ockel:

 

davidcole:

 

I wonder if sky will bring back (or spark will offer) the $10-$14 24 hour access.  Sky got rid of it to force people to get a decoder....but I wonder if they noticed a drop in fanpass users as a result?  There's occasions I'd be interested in that type of access, bathurst, All blacks games type thing.  Or special events (like the olympics for a one off charge).  

 

 

It was $15/day, $20/week and $60/mth.  Sky got rid of it cos the "casual user" economics didnt stack up - not to force people to get a decoder.  Fanpass is $55/mth (6m contract - cf $99/mth for the casual user who is expensive to serve) compared to $55/mth for basic+sport via satellite.  The absence of a price difference is coincident isnt it?  

 

Given the number of people that would hang out for a $5 Friday for FanPass suggests that $15/day didnt attract enough to justify a price point.  Would you pay $10/hr to watch a Super15 game or an AllBlacks test or an F1 race?  How does that compare to the cost to watch a movie at the cinema?  Live sport has a price (think in terms of $/hr) vs movies vs delayed sport vs general entertainment.  Quantify it for you personally - how much would you spend per hour of entertainment on each of those categories?

 

 

$10-$15 is about the equivalent of a movie price, and I think that is about right.   There's no way I'd pay the $99 for a month....especialy since it 4 sport channels, and you can actually get a subscription for a month for $25 + $29 nowadays.  But at the time they changed the pricing it was close to $100.

 

 

Yes, thats right.  $55/mth for satellite (basic+sport) vs $55/mth for Fanpass.  At the time FanPass pricing went up it was $80/mth (basic $50+sport $30).  

 

So I'm correct in understanding you'd pay $6.67-$10/hr for live sport (average duration is 90 mins, right?)  If you watched 1 game a week thats ummm $40-$60/mth.  Gee, thats interesting.  So if you could find 1 event of 90 mins duration per week across a wide variety of sports then you'd probably be happy at $40-60/mth.  


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2113834 25-Oct-2018 13:12
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ockel:

 

davidcole:

 

ockel:

 

davidcole:

 

I wonder if sky will bring back (or spark will offer) the $10-$14 24 hour access.  Sky got rid of it to force people to get a decoder....but I wonder if they noticed a drop in fanpass users as a result?  There's occasions I'd be interested in that type of access, bathurst, All blacks games type thing.  Or special events (like the olympics for a one off charge).  

 

 

It was $15/day, $20/week and $60/mth.  Sky got rid of it cos the "casual user" economics didnt stack up - not to force people to get a decoder.  Fanpass is $55/mth (6m contract - cf $99/mth for the casual user who is expensive to serve) compared to $55/mth for basic+sport via satellite.  The absence of a price difference is coincident isnt it?  

 

Given the number of people that would hang out for a $5 Friday for FanPass suggests that $15/day didnt attract enough to justify a price point.  Would you pay $10/hr to watch a Super15 game or an AllBlacks test or an F1 race?  How does that compare to the cost to watch a movie at the cinema?  Live sport has a price (think in terms of $/hr) vs movies vs delayed sport vs general entertainment.  Quantify it for you personally - how much would you spend per hour of entertainment on each of those categories?

 

 

$10-$15 is about the equivalent of a movie price, and I think that is about right.   There's no way I'd pay the $99 for a month....especialy since it 4 sport channels, and you can actually get a subscription for a month for $25 + $29 nowadays.  But at the time they changed the pricing it was close to $100.

 

 

Yes, thats right.  $55/mth for satellite (basic+sport) vs $55/mth for Fanpass.  At the time FanPass pricing went up it was $80/mth (basic $50+sport $30).  

 

So I'm correct in understanding you'd pay $6.67-$10/hr for live sport (average duration is 90 mins, right?)  If you watched 1 game a week thats ummm $40-$60/mth.  Gee, thats interesting.  So if you could find 1 event of 90 mins duration per week across a wide variety of sports then you'd probably be happy at $40-60/mth.  

 

 

 

 

Well no, because I wouldn't have 1 event per week I'd be interested in.  You're assuming a much higher level of interest in sport across the board.  Maybe the 2 or 3 beldisloe games, in one month but then nothing till october for the bathurst weekend.  By that reckoning I've spent $45 for beldisloe, and 30 for bathurst.....nothing at all like $40 a month.  And definitely nothing in the the region worth $99 a month.





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  Reply # 2113840 25-Oct-2018 13:25
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Disappointing that. Especially as SKY UK have been doing 4K F1 for 2 years. I may opt for the US F1Pro offering if Spark's is not up to it (waiting for them to release on Fire TV and/or Android TV). But let's see.


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  Reply # 2113872 25-Oct-2018 14:51
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ockel:

 

davidcole:

 

I wonder if sky will bring back (or spark will offer) the $10-$14 24 hour access.  Sky got rid of it to force people to get a decoder....but I wonder if they noticed a drop in fanpass users as a result?  There's occasions I'd be interested in that type of access, bathurst, All blacks games type thing.  Or special events (like the olympics for a one off charge).  

 

 

It was $15/day, $20/week and $60/mth.  Sky got rid of it cos the "casual user" economics didnt stack up - not to force people to get a decoder.  Fanpass is $55/mth (6m contract - cf $99/mth for the casual user who is expensive to serve) compared to $55/mth for basic+sport via satellite.  The absence of a price difference is coincident isnt it?  

 

 

Spark customers can get fanpass for $30 a month right now on a 6 month term(price applies for upto 12 months). 


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  Reply # 2113873 25-Oct-2018 15:06
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smcc:

 

All I can say is 4K,4K,4k (and OD)!

 

Let's see what they deliver!

 

 

4K would be wonderful but I'd be perfectly happy with a GOOD 1080P60 (or 50 even) - with at minimum DD+ audio.

 

And blackjack! And hookers!


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  Reply # 2113875 25-Oct-2018 15:16
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The other question is whose pictures/commentary will they be taking.  The Sky UK coverage is well known as the best so I hope they use it.


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  Reply # 2113879 25-Oct-2018 15:26
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darthmeow:

 

4K would be wonderful but I'd be perfectly happy with a GOOD 1080P60 (or 50 even) - with at minimum DD+ audio.

 

And blackjack! And hookers!

 

 

 

 

How many live sport streaming options are there worldwide that meet what you would be happy with?


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  Reply # 2113893 25-Oct-2018 15:43
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I bet it won't be 4K, simply because of the technical difficulty in steaming 4K live. Someone posted in one of the sky forums on Geekzone an interesting link to a report on the BBC trial to stream sports in 4K HD and the statistics on processing power and bandwidth needed/required was staggering. They had to limit viewers to stop the whole thing collapsing. Lag was greater than 40 seconds.


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  Reply # 2113987 25-Oct-2018 17:46
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I have heard a fairly solid rumour it will be 1080 coverage and $29 NZD per race incl all practice and qualifying.


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  Reply # 2113988 25-Oct-2018 17:47
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Forgot to add no idea of on-demand abilities sorry

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  Reply # 2113999 25-Oct-2018 18:09
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JPNZ: I have heard a fairly solid rumour it will be 1080 coverage and $29 NZD per race incl all practice and qualifying.

 

Crikey.  If that rumour is true then that'd be $600 for a season.  I hope the season price would be significantly lower else its F1TV Pro (USD150) and a DNS for me.


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  Reply # 2114000 25-Oct-2018 18:10
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If it's 29 per race and not per month with the other stuff such as epl then I'm going offshore as that is not a price I'm willing given how much I currently pay sky for the sports package.

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  Reply # 2114008 25-Oct-2018 18:18
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Yes. I’m not sure if spark are going to put all the sport into one package. Not sure motor sports people are big English football fans.

Spark is going to have to recoup costs from their large bid somehow. I’ve always said the breakdown of SKY will just end up costing multiple sport fans more money per month.

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  Reply # 2114013 25-Oct-2018 18:31
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JPNZ: Yes. I’m not sure if spark are going to put all the sport into one package. Not sure motor sports people are big English football fans.

Spark is going to have to recoup costs from their large bid somehow. I’ve always said the breakdown of SKY will just end up costing multiple sport fans more money per month.

 

From memory Sky charged $300 for a season of F1 - in the first year that Fanpass was offered.  How Spark could justify double that price for a season, I have no idea.


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