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  #2308248 30-Aug-2019 09:04
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Deano004: I have a reasonably good 2018 Sony TV. The x900f.

After being so happy that 60 fps is coming back I'm going to be extremely disappointed if I can't get 60fps on my TV.
It has a native refresh rate of 60. I got it because of the way it can handle motion. It has no problem with other streaming 60fps content.

Please tell me that list is incomplete...


 

Be wary what you're reading is possibly based on loose assumption (or lack of hard information so far) and may well be incomplete. You are better to name the known good ones vs the ones that */might/* and then get bombarded with calls complaining the lower end ones of the range you named do not.

 

And likely the list may be 'public-i-fied' - As many people don't know what model tv they have specifically. It's just 'new' cause 'I got it last year so should work'. When there may be a few tiers of capabilities within them.

 

If it worked prior to the change down, it may well work fine again soon. Reading between the release it tends to tell us there will be a switchable option provided to try (if they don't to ID checks to give you the best option). If one doesn't work (60) chances are 30 would.


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  #2308290 30-Aug-2019 10:15
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Isn't sport generally 50hz at source?




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kipkip:

 

I was never a fan of smart TV, cos they aren't really that smart.  The processor is weak, insufficient memory to handle proper buffering/caching.  I always prefer the non-smart TV when they were still available - much cheaper and I can just connect it with an android tv box (i.e. shield tv) or a PC that is way smarter than those built-in smart functions.  Not to even mention having to rely on the TV manufacturer to provide updates to their proprietary software... 

 

 

 

 

This.




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  #2308297 30-Aug-2019 10:29
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Thanks Oblivian. I signed up just after the drop to 30 fps so I'm not sure if 60 worked prior.

Actually I waited until the native app came out for my TV before signing up thinking I'd get a better experience rather than chrome casting.

The thing with their list is that it is a public list, and there is a major TV brand missing from it. It is also confusing.

They say browsers will support 60fps. If I install chrome browser on my TV will I get 60fps through that and not the native app. If performance is the reason, I wouldn't think so.

The Sony TV's have chrome cast built in (I can't seem to find out which version, if anyone knows please let me know). Will I get 60fps if I cast to my TV rather than use the native app?

If that free view streaming device does support 60fps as stated, is there a way to extract that and then did leaf it onto the Sony TV's, will they then run at 60fps through that app. They are both android based devices?

I've been pretty understanding of Spark through this, but I really won't be happy.


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  #2308309 30-Aug-2019 10:44
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@deano004  I would wait till the 60fps returns shortly, rather than speculate. Then we will have a known baseline to cheer or grumble about


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  #2308311 30-Aug-2019 10:51
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@tdgeek, yeah probably right. But it is an official list of supported devices, but hopfully it works out.

I just really want his service to work for me. It is perfect. The content is exactly what I want (except for the tennis slams). The price is good. And I'm trying to ditch all the boxes attached to my TV so this method of delivery is great.

But, that 30fps really does my head in, it is just not a pleasant watch. Admittedly it is much better than it was.

A date 60 fps is being switched back on would be helpful.


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  #2308315 30-Aug-2019 10:53
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JimsGardenSheds:

 

Thanks for the reply wratterus I'm using my Apple TV. It seems to work. 

 

Excuse my lack of technical knowledge but is blocky quality and colouring attached to 60Fps? I did some googling (as we do) and it mentions bitrate? What is bitrate? 

 

 

An easy way to think of it is bitrate is the amount of data it takes to run the stream, more data can display higher quality and less data can only display a lower quality.  Generally slower internet connections will see this sort of lower quality because they cannot download enough data fast enough to display the high quality.  hope this helps.




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  #2308320 30-Aug-2019 10:59
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tysonoh1:

 

Yeah Jim - I know what you mean. Sports currently on TV/Sky weren't 60fps right? It almost seems like they have a crap encoder or bitrate. Just too blocky. I know they mentioned that we should turn off motion processing on the TV...but this was active for Sky etc too.

 

Pump up the bitrate!

 

 

Spark Sport already run a higher bitrate than any of the TVNZ streaming, or what fanpass or rugby pass have been running previously.  I believe fanpass has (literally last week) upped its bitrate to 8mbps to compete and SS is now at 7mbps.  Generally 1080p @ 60fps doesn't need any more bitrate than this.  If your seeing super low quality content then it's likely your device isn't reaching the top rendition for some reason.


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  #2308328 30-Aug-2019 11:09
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jasonsweetbix:

 

tysonoh1:

 

Yeah Jim - I know what you mean. Sports currently on TV/Sky weren't 60fps right? It almost seems like they have a crap encoder or bitrate. Just too blocky. I know they mentioned that we should turn off motion processing on the TV...but this was active for Sky etc too.

 

Pump up the bitrate!

 

 

Spark Sport already run a higher bitrate than any of the TVNZ streaming, or what fanpass or rugby pass have been running previously.  I believe fanpass has (literally last week) upped its bitrate to 8mbps to compete and SS is now at 7mbps.  Generally 1080p @ 60fps doesn't need any more bitrate than this.  If your seeing super low quality content then it's likely your device isn't reaching the top rendition for some reason.

 

 

I believ encoding comes into it


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  #2308331 30-Aug-2019 11:14
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jasonsweetbix:

 

tysonoh1:

 

Yeah Jim - I know what you mean. Sports currently on TV/Sky weren't 60fps right? It almost seems like they have a crap encoder or bitrate. Just too blocky. I know they mentioned that we should turn off motion processing on the TV...but this was active for Sky etc too.

 

Pump up the bitrate!

 

 

Spark Sport already run a higher bitrate than any of the TVNZ streaming, or what fanpass or rugby pass have been running previously.  I believe fanpass has (literally last week) upped its bitrate to 8mbps to compete and SS is now at 7mbps.  Generally 1080p @ 60fps doesn't need any more bitrate than this.  If your seeing super low quality content then it's likely your device isn't reaching the top rendition for some reason.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the thinking..

 

But other apps (Netflix (and TVNZ on demand)  on my ATV look great? So that is my only benchmark i have right in terms of "bitrate" so does this not rule out "connection issues"?

 

I've been reviewing istreamplanet (SS providers' of the streams) articles/news - Very interesting reading with some startups often failing and experiencing very similar circumstances of quality of picture.

 

Cheers,

 

Jim

 

 


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  #2308432 30-Aug-2019 12:44
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Deano004: @tdgeek, yeah probably right. But it is an official list of supported devices, but hopfully it works out.

I just really want his service to work for me. It is perfect. The content is exactly what I want (except for the tennis slams). The price is good. And I'm trying to ditch all the boxes attached to my TV so this method of delivery is great.

But, that 30fps really does my head in, it is just not a pleasant watch. Admittedly it is much better than it was.

A date 60 fps is being switched back on would be helpful.

 

I have heard via an unofficial channel that any live events from today will be at the new 60fps quality.  It looks like the next event is the Belgian F1 Practice tonight at 8:45pm.


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  #2308433 30-Aug-2019 12:48
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tdgeek:

 

jasonsweetbix:

 

Spark Sport already run a higher bitrate than any of the TVNZ streaming, or what fanpass or rugby pass have been running previously.  I believe fanpass has (literally last week) upped its bitrate to 8mbps to compete and SS is now at 7mbps.  Generally 1080p @ 60fps doesn't need any more bitrate than this.  If your seeing super low quality content then it's likely your device isn't reaching the top rendition for some reason.

 

 

I believ encoding comes into it

 

 

I believe most live feeds are encoded at source, then just transcoded for delivery.


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  #2308435 30-Aug-2019 12:51
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JimsGardenSheds:

 

Thanks for the thinking..

 

But other apps (Netflix (and TVNZ on demand)  on my ATV look great? So that is my only benchmark i have right in terms of "bitrate" so does this not rule out "connection issues"?

 

I've been reviewing istreamplanet (SS providers' of the streams) articles/news - Very interesting reading with some startups often failing and experiencing very similar circumstances of quality of picture.

 

Cheers,

 

Jim

 

 

It's probably hard to compare Netflix / TVNZ on Demand against Sport.  Netflix and TVNZ content is probably only at 30fps and likely studio production quality versus live sport being recorded on site and fed live to people.  I understand where you're coming from though.  Will be interesting to see how the new quality improvements help.


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  #2308451 30-Aug-2019 13:24
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jasonsweetbix:

 

JimsGardenSheds:

 

Thanks for the thinking..

 

But other apps (Netflix (and TVNZ on demand)  on my ATV look great? So that is my only benchmark i have right in terms of "bitrate" so does this not rule out "connection issues"?

 

I've been reviewing istreamplanet (SS providers' of the streams) articles/news - Very interesting reading with some startups often failing and experiencing very similar circumstances of quality of picture.

 

Cheers,

 

Jim

 

 

It's probably hard to compare Netflix / TVNZ on Demand against Sport.  Netflix and TVNZ content is probably only at 30fps and likely studio production quality versus live sport being recorded on site and fed live to people.  I understand where you're coming from though.  Will be interesting to see how the new quality improvements help.

 

 

And probably also benifit from offline multipass encoding?

 

Cyril


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  #2308475 30-Aug-2019 13:59
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cyril7:

 

jasonsweetbix:

 

JimsGardenSheds:

 

Thanks for the thinking..

 

But other apps (Netflix (and TVNZ on demand)  on my ATV look great? So that is my only benchmark i have right in terms of "bitrate" so does this not rule out "connection issues"?

 

I've been reviewing istreamplanet (SS providers' of the streams) articles/news - Very interesting reading with some startups often failing and experiencing very similar circumstances of quality of picture.

 

Cheers,

 

Jim

 

 

It's probably hard to compare Netflix / TVNZ on Demand against Sport.  Netflix and TVNZ content is probably only at 30fps and likely studio production quality versus live sport being recorded on site and fed live to people.  I understand where you're coming from though.  Will be interesting to see how the new quality improvements help.

 

 

And probably also benifit from offline multipass encoding?

 

Cyril

 

 

Yes, definitely multipass encoding will make a difference also.


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