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  # 2319685 18-Sep-2019 11:39
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huckster:

 

 

 

To paraphrase elsewhere in this thread, Smart TVs don't seem to be all that smart. And viewing sport programs (so not Spark Sport per se) is making that abundantly clear.

 

 

My conclusion is that sport is the problem. If you watch TV there is motion blur but we don't care, as we are watching the Fast and the Furious car, not the Golden Gate flashing past in the background. Sky has motion blur on balls, but its relatively minor and interlaced disguises that a little, but its definitely there. But its ok. Progressive and TV smarts to fill in frames, seems to give varying results. F1 at 60fps is great, but there is motion blur, but again I'm not fixated in a round or oval ball. I feel that if we all agree the Netflix is great, (a baseline) and if Netflix started playing sport, we would have the same issues.I was watching a soccer game at 60fps, the ball was good. Not perfect, but good. Occasionally it motion blurred more then its fine, the changing background mattered. Is that Spark Sport, is it the encoding, is it the feed, is it my TV, is it my Apple TV? My base was that Sky was best, but after all these 160 odd pages, I had a look at Sky, and the golf that  I watch does have motion blur on the ball. Not every frame though. I never noticed it, but now that all of us are motion blur fanatics with balls, yes its noticed more. We are looking for it. before, on Sky, its there too, we never looked for it.


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  # 2319790 18-Sep-2019 14:25
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For the record, I do NOT want to cast. I want to use an app with a remote, as I plan on watching all 48 games, and there will be a lot of skipping of players walking to lineouts, injury time, and if what the head of referees said is true, lots of time spent analysing tackles to see if they warrant cards. Seeking with a CC is horrible. 

 

I have also found CC broadcasts quite unreliable. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There was a table posted on page 160 of this thread which shows all supported devices and their relevant resolutions and frame rates.  If you're going to watch on an unsupported device then behaviour will probably vary but from what I've seen and heard android TV should play 1080p 60fps on everything except Sony and Freeview.

 

If you are chrome casting it should also hit 1080p 60fps unless you are using a chromecast 1/2 device as these devices hardware don't support 1080p 60fps.

 

If you are having issues with the smartTV apps and are wanting to watch on a big screen and using a remote then I would recommend a smartVU puck which is an officially supported device, I have one at home and it works great.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2319833 18-Sep-2019 15:05
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In all my years of watching and discussing Sky I've never noticed ball motion or fast movement issues. Sky gets savaged here over and over, yet I can't recall anyone ever saying there was an issue with Sky's motion. It may be there but it's as close to as unnoticeable as you'd want it to be given it's never been a topic of discussion here previously.

 

I don't understand why there is Spark Sport manager saying that 60FPS and 1080P isn't a problem for Sony TV's when it seems it might be. How can a company who's only job is to deliver sport via streaming, not conclusively, accurately and consistently communicate definitely, what devices can and can't be expected to get a set quality? It's totally unacceptable.

 

 

 

 


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  # 2319990 18-Sep-2019 20:53
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networkn:

 

I don't understand why there is Spark Sport manager saying that 60FPS and 1080P isn't a problem for Sony TV's when it seems it might be. How can a company who's only job is to deliver sport via streaming, not conclusively, accurately and consistently communicate definitely, what devices can and can't be expected to get a set quality? It's totally unacceptable.

 

 

they have, you are using something that isnt supported, so your millage may vary.

 

and you are bring highly unreasonable here.


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  # 2319992 18-Sep-2019 21:05
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In all my years of watching and discussing Sky I've never noticed ball motion or fast movement issues. Sky gets savaged here over and over, yet I can't recall anyone ever saying there was an issue with Sky's motion. It may be there but it's as close to as unnoticeable as you'd want it to be given it's never been a topic of discussion here previously.

 

I don't understand why there is Spark Sport manager saying that 60FPS and 1080P isn't a problem for Sony TV's when it seems it might be. How can a company who's only job is to deliver sport via streaming, not conclusively, accurately and consistently communicate definitely, what devices can and can't be expected to get a set quality? It's totally unacceptable.

 

 

Correct. They can’t do this for 2019 LG Smart TVs either - even though these are meant to be supported and can load the SS app. Those TVs aren’t even on their list. 


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  # 2319994 18-Sep-2019 21:25
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So, am I blind or is there STILL no search in the App?

 

Also, where can I find the JPN vs SA game?

 

 


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  # 2319995 18-Sep-2019 21:28
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@networkn since you've got a shield, put Kodi on it and then Matt H's repo and install the spark Sport add-on. 1080p 60fps as noted in the codec info.

Plus, with the added bonus of being able to play at 2x or 4x normal speed.

 
 
 
 


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  # 2319996 18-Sep-2019 21:29
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So, am I blind or is there STILL no search in the App?


Also, where can I find the JPN vs SA game?


 


Go to the RWC area in the sports selector, then go to the recently added, then all the way to the right is the way I've been getting to it.

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  # 2320138 19-Sep-2019 09:57
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networkn:

 

In all my years of watching and discussing Sky I've never noticed ball motion or fast movement issues. Sky gets savaged here over and over, yet I can't recall anyone ever saying there was an issue with Sky's motion. It may be there but it's as close to as unnoticeable as you'd want it to be given it's never been a topic of discussion here previously.

 

I don't understand why there is Spark Sport manager saying that 60FPS and 1080P isn't a problem for Sony TV's when it seems it might be. How can a company who's only job is to deliver sport via streaming, not conclusively, accurately and consistently communicate definitely, what devices can and can't be expected to get a set quality? It's totally unacceptable.

 

 

Correct. They can’t do this for 2019 LG Smart TVs either - even though these are meant to be supported and can load the SS app. Those TVs aren’t even on their list. 

 

 

From what I have seen, LG TV will play up to 1080p 60fps.


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  # 2320768 19-Sep-2019 22:02
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I see Chromecast 2 supports 60hz. But do I set the output to 50hz or 60hz? I could be wrong, but 50hz seems to look better watching Japan vs SA.

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  # 2320787 19-Sep-2019 22:32
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grolschie: I see Chromecast 2 supports 60hz. But do I set the output to 50hz or 60hz? I could be wrong, but 50hz seems to look better watching Japan vs SA.


Based on the info Kodi tells me about the stream - 50hz is what you want.

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  # 2320789 19-Sep-2019 22:48
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grolschie: I see Chromecast 2 supports 60hz. But do I set the output to 50hz or 60hz? I could be wrong, but 50hz seems to look better watching Japan vs SA.


Based on the info Kodi tells me about the stream - 50hz is what you want.

Thank you!

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  # 2320876 20-Sep-2019 05:07
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grolschie: I see Chromecast 2 supports 60hz. But do I set the output to 50hz or 60hz? I could be wrong, but 50hz seems to look better watching Japan vs SA.


It supports 60hz, but not at 1080p. At least not in YouTube. I believe this was the sight spec increase in gen 3 Chromecast.

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grolschie: I see Chromecast 2 supports 60hz. But do I set the output to 50hz or 60hz? I could be wrong, but 50hz seems to look better watching Japan vs SA.


It supports 60hz, but not at 1080p. At least not in YouTube. I believe this was the sight spec increase in gen 3 Chromecast.


That makes sense, because I was probably watching a 1080p25 stream, so setting it to 50hz made it less jerky than 60hz.

Here are the specs for those interested:
https://developers.google.com/cast/docs/media#video_codecs

Note that Spark sport also list Chromecast 1 & 2 as supporting 60hz (which is false, unless at 720p):
https://help.sparksport.co.nz/devices-that-support-60-frames-per-second-when-streaming-spark-sport.

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I thought all Spark playout was at either 30 or 60 fps.


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