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  Reply # 2200858 18-Mar-2019 15:23
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Just put a feature request in for pre-created bookmarks in the stream; i.e. if they merge pre-race and race together and I join in late having a bookmark for the start of the race segment saves me having to try and work out when the race starts in the stream if I don't have time to watch the pre-race.  I'd imagine as Spark must know in advance the run program for Sky they can put these in the stream on the fly at set points?


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  Reply # 2200865 18-Mar-2019 15:32
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Well done - I would suggest start of Martin's grid walk as well as start of warm-up lap. Have you done that or shall I?

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2200869 18-Mar-2019 15:35
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No, mine was kinda generic at this stage... Pre-race/race but yes the grid walk is generally something I try to avoid missing.

 

I'm really curious to know how the VOD will work with the morning race, as Bahrain is a good test.  I shall do as I normally do and get up at 5 or 6 and start to watch it... hopefully I won't get a stream crash, but if I do I hope I can rejoin and not have to wait up to 4 hours.


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  Reply # 2200950 18-Mar-2019 17:55
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First up, I'd like to say well done to Spark Sports - a very decent start and I'm very happy to have been able to watch the F1 in a far more convenient way than when it was on Sky. I tend not to watch the races live, which means I was previously stuck to watching it on my main house TV where the sky box is located. For this race, I watched some of the practice and pre-race build-up on my iPad, cast some of the race to the TV in my home gym while I exercised and watched the rest on my laptop and main living room TV. Very happy with the quality throughout, too and I've got a pretty weak ADSL (7-8Mbps) connection.

 

I had a couple of issues with the stream jumping back to the start or apparently randomly forward when I was "resuming", but nothing that phased me too much.

 

My only feedback is that I'd like better options for skipping backwards and forwards in set increments. Hopefully that's something that can come in an App update fairly soon? With the raw feeds, the ability to hop forward or backwards 15 seconds, 1 minute, 3 minutes, for example, would make the dead-air advert breaks easier to manage and, let's face it, allow us to skip over any other bits of programming we're not interested in watching.

 

Looking forward to the next race (and to lots of other quality sport, too)!


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  Reply # 2200954 18-Mar-2019 18:04
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smidon:

Ah.  I found it was fine in browser (Chrome) and in the ipad/iphone app.  It was casting that was the spanner in the works.



How far from your wifi router was the iPad as that was fine. And how far was the chromecast?

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  Reply # 2201082 18-Mar-2019 20:26
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tdgeek:
smidon:

Ah.  I found it was fine in browser (Chrome) and in the ipad/iphone app.  It was casting that was the spanner in the works.



How far from your wifi router was the iPad as that was fine. And how far was the chromecast?


As close as you can get. The TV’s on the wall with the Spark/Huawei modem/router literally right underneath it on a cabinet. The chromecast is Ethernet wired into a LAN port in the router, and I’m sitting on a couch a few feet away with the iPad/iPhone on 5g wifi.

The problem is in the way the app casts. I’ve googled this and a few years back this was common when chromecasts came out. Since then the various apps (YouTube, Netflix, etc.) have worked on their apps to make/allow the Chromecast to be controlled by the app.

I’ve put feedback into Spark and in email this afternoon they say they are aware of it and working on it (over “coming weeks”).

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  Reply # 2201083 18-Mar-2019 20:29
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smidon:

The problem is in the way the app casts. I’ve googled this and a few years back this was common when chromecasts came out. Since then the various apps (YouTube, Netflix, etc.) have worked on their apps to make/allow the Chromecast to be controlled by the app.

 

Not at all the case.

 

 

 

When you cast from the app, it tells the chromecast "Hey Chromecast, play this stream"

 

 

 

the only exception here is casting from the browser, currently this will cast your browser (mirror) itself rather than pass the content.

 

That feature is being worked on.





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  Reply # 2201104 18-Mar-2019 20:45
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I can't help but think 

 

My kids are at me: "I can't get email, Netflix won't work" etc. etc.  You can never tell if it's a local or network problem.  Often it's the latter.  Sometimes it's local/DHCP or similar issues and things need to be rebooted.

 

And

 

I'm Spark and moderate/acceptable quality devices end to end.  I am not going to spend a fortune on my house electronics, but we have Fibre, Spark Huawei modem, a hub and Cat06 through the house, relatively (but not absolutely) modern PCs, iPads, phones, a couple of Apple Airport Extremes, etc.  And a brand new ChromeCast Ultra bought especially for this.  I would like a better wifi experience but don't know what to buy, and anyway the ethernet is pretty stable and fast (75-90 mbps).

 

 

May be beneficial for you to start a thread and engage some input into diagnosing any potential double-nat or routing issues among the wireless and wired devices. Especially if they have the same SSIDs and threshold settings but different IP ranges between.

 

That may/can be a factor in losing remote control to wired devices. Not so much on wireless connected cast devices on the same AP...


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  Reply # 2201145 18-Mar-2019 20:59
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hio77:

smidon:

The problem is in the way the app casts. I’ve googled this and a few years back this was common when chromecasts came out. Since then the various apps (YouTube, Netflix, etc.) have worked on their apps to make/allow the Chromecast to be controlled by the app.


Not at all the case.


 


When you cast from the app, it tells the chromecast "Hey Chromecast, play this stream"


 


the only exception here is casting from the browser, currently this will cast your browser (mirror) itself rather than pass the content.


That feature is being worked on.



Thanks Hio

The effect I had (I don’t know the cause) is that the cast stream (playing on the TV) remained resolutely real-time. On a number of occasions I uncast, rewound in the app (iPad, iPhone), cast again and the cast stream on the TV was still real time (i.e. further on again from when I uncast and then rewound). I simply couldn’t control the cast stream other than to start it in the first place (from iPad).

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  Reply # 2201157 18-Mar-2019 21:10
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Oblivian:

I can't help but think 


My kids are at me: "I can't get email, Netflix won't work" etc. etc.  You can never tell if it's a local or network problem.  Often it's the latter.  Sometimes it's local/DHCP or similar issues and things need to be rebooted.


And


I'm Spark and moderate/acceptable quality devices end to end.  I am not going to spend a fortune on my house electronics, but we have Fibre, Spark Huawei modem, a hub and Cat06 through the house, relatively (but not absolutely) modern PCs, iPads, phones, a couple of Apple Airport Extremes, etc.  And a brand new ChromeCast Ultra bought especially for this.  I would like a better wifi experience but don't know what to buy, and anyway the ethernet is pretty stable and fast (75-90 mbps).

 


May be beneficial for you to start a thread and engage some input into diagnosing any potential double-nat or routing issues among the wireless and wired devices. Especially if they have the same SSIDs and threshold settings but different IP ranges between.


That may/can be a factor in losing remote control to wired devices. Not so much on wireless connected cast devices on the same AP...



You know what, this is a real issue. All this tech stuff is readily available for the untech amongst us to buy. And most of them have relatively easy setup capability. But where is the advice about how to best coordinate everything, and the pitfalls?

We have just renovated our house and took the opportunity to put a hub and CAT06 cabling throughout. I asked our architect who could design the network. Answer was “no one”, no one has a clue. My sparky could wire it up, and did. But he simply asked me what I wanted and where? How the hell would I know? I pointed at where we planned to put things like TVs and desks etc.

I asked some dudes at PBTech ... just got tech doublespeak.

It’s a business opportunity - a design and advice business.

Good idea to open a thread - I’ll do that.

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  Reply # 2201185 18-Mar-2019 21:30
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Been watching a bit and the quality is A LOT better than I expected. While it doesn't match the bitrate of skysport "HD" as I can see compression,artifacting, the 50FPS (or 60 i cant tell) is great :)

 

It plays back really well on chrome browser. no issues.

 

When I cast to CC ultra (connected via ethernet) via IOS app everything works fine until I want to pause/scrub forward/backwards STOP etc. The app loses control of the CC and I have to restart the google home app and spark app. 

 

Im thinking this is just typical IOS issue. sleeping the app while its in the background and when I wake it its lost link with CC.   Restarting apps all the time probably isn't going to cut with someone that just want to watch sports 😢 Also chromecast isnt the most relibale of hardware .   Would an additional bluetooth connection to control the casting device improve playback control?

 

I have this also while casting  with my motoGP subscription. constant app restarts .

 

Everything is fine if you just let the video playback.

 

100/20 spark fibre 


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  Reply # 2201205 18-Mar-2019 21:55
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hio77:

 

the only exception here is casting from the browser, currently this will cast your browser (mirror) itself rather than pass the content.

 

That feature is being worked on.

 

 

That feature has been in place since mid 2017 (beta early 2017). If you cast a browser tab, and then use the full screen icon on the video,Chrome will offer you to 'optimise' the stream. When you select this the Chromecast will take over the screen, and the browser tab will have a Chromecast icon. Obviously it only works on content that the Chromecast can handle - most noticeably (hello Sky Go) it won't work on Flash content.


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  Reply # 2201206 18-Mar-2019 21:56
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smidon:
tdgeek:
smidon:

 

Ah.  I found it was fine in browser (Chrome) and in the ipad/iphone app.  It was casting that was the spanner in the works.

 



How far from your wifi router was the iPad as that was fine. And how far was the chromecast?


As close as you can get. The TV’s on the wall with the Spark/Huawei modem/router literally right underneath it on a cabinet. The chromecast is Ethernet wired into a LAN port in the router, and I’m sitting on a couch a few feet away with the iPad/iPhone on 5g wifi.

The problem is in the way the app casts. I’ve googled this and a few years back this was common when chromecasts came out. Since then the various apps (YouTube, Netflix, etc.) have worked on their apps to make/allow the Chromecast to be controlled by the app.

I’ve put feedback into Spark and in email this afternoon they say they are aware of it and working on it (over “coming weeks”).

 

What Hio77 said. The reason I asked, is that when you access it on the iPad, as I could do right now, for me the iPad is recieving SS from my wifi router, 4 meters away, could be a lot further too. When I cast it, the iPad is not now involved, the player that received SS is the Chromecast, sitting .3 of a metre from my wifi router. The CC is a teeny PC that can only do one thing, play the app to the HDMI TV input

 

From all the testing I have done internally and now, casting the app from the iPads (I have two) or iPhone, is the best solution. Its rock solid. There is no PC, CPU, RAM, browser, cables and so on, its virtually direct.

 

Apple Airplay for example isnt great. It works, its ok-ish. That requires my laptop (or iPad) to be receiving SS over wifi, AND sending it to my wifi router. It shows. the CC is just recieving SS and its already in the HDMI port


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  Reply # 2201229 18-Mar-2019 22:16
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ALTRON:

 

Been watching a bit and the quality is A LOT better than I expected. While it doesn't match the bitrate of skysport "HD" as I can see compression,artifacting, the 50FPS (or 60 i cant tell) is great :)

 

It plays back really well on chrome browser. no issues.

 

When I cast to CC ultra (connected via ethernet) via IOS app everything works fine until I want to pause/scrub forward/backwards STOP etc. The app loses control of the CC and I have to restart the google home app and spark app. 

 

Im thinking this is just typical IOS issue. sleeping the app while its in the background and when I wake it its lost link with CC.   Restarting apps all the time probably isn't going to cut with someone that just want to watch sports 😢 Also chromecast isnt the most relibale of hardware .   Would an additional bluetooth connection to control the casting device improve playback control?

 

I have this also while casting  with my motoGP subscription. constant app restarts .

 

Everything is fine if you just let the video playback.

 

100/20 spark fibre 

 

 

Does it do this also on OD content? 


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  Reply # 2201344 19-Mar-2019 08:36
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Ran some tests last night on my setup.

 

Intel NUC i3 - 8Gb - BigPipe Gigabit - Grandstream Router - ethernet CAT6 - HDMI to Sony KD-55X930D

 

Chrome and FF show the same picture, there is judder on both. I can see they both play the 1080p 60FPS stream, but it doesn't look like 60FPS. You can see some element of compression pixelation and at times, an interlaced line is seen, on fast pace content. 

 

I played the start on both browsers for comparison. If i'm being pedantic FF is slightly better, but minutely marginal. 

 

I watched the F1 highlights on YouTube (native app), there you see the difference! That is 1080p stream and it shows!

 

 

 

 





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