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  Reply # 2184609 21-Feb-2019 08:31
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But Sport has been unbundled - has been for years its called FanPass. And costs $55/mth.  Thanks to the subsidy by Spark its $30/mth for Spark broadband subscribers but even then the needle doesnt seemed to have moved much by the potential 650,000 Spark broadband subscribers that could take this offer.  Why?  

 

 

It costs $330 for fanpass.  You have to commit to 6 months if you want to chuck out that price.  Or $99 for a single month.  That's no unbundling.  As for $99 you can have a decoder and the basic package I believe.  So it a false economy....and it's only the 4 main channels, where on the subscriber package there are pop ups.  

 

 

Here is my opinion on Fanpass, that I posted elsewhere

 

Fanpass pricing is not based on it being a standard product. When people ditch Sky, Fanpass is there to recover some revenue. It is priced at $100 so you wont buy it, as they want you to buy it for 6 months at $60. Its not full Sky Sport as that encourages more to churn. Remember, Sport is the Crown jewel of Sky. If Fanpass was full Sky Sport, more will churn, so the diluted Fanpass will garner some lost revenue, and not cannibalise Basics + Sport. People will pay $60


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tdgeek:

 

davidcole:

 

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But Sport has been unbundled - has been for years its called FanPass. And costs $55/mth.  Thanks to the subsidy by Spark its $30/mth for Spark broadband subscribers but even then the needle doesnt seemed to have moved much by the potential 650,000 Spark broadband subscribers that could take this offer.  Why?  

 

 

It costs $330 for fanpass.  You have to commit to 6 months if you want to chuck out that price.  Or $99 for a single month.  That's no unbundling.  As for $99 you can have a decoder and the basic package I believe.  So it a false economy....and it's only the 4 main channels, where on the subscriber package there are pop ups.  

 

 

Here is my opinion on Fanpass, that I posted elsewhere

 

Fanpass pricing is not based on it being a standard product. When people ditch Sky, Fanpass is there to recover some revenue. It is priced at $100 so you wont buy it, as they want you to buy it for 6 months at $60. Its not full Sky Sport as that encourages more to churn. Remember, Sport is the Crown jewel of Sky. If Fanpass was full Sky Sport, more will churn, so the diluted Fanpass will garner some lost revenue, and not cannibalise Basics + Sport. People will pay $60

 

 

Yes exactly.  Fanpass is not sport unbundled as was suggested above.





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  Reply # 2184626 21-Feb-2019 08:48
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I've talked to some co workers about this, and made some observations.

 

 

I'm totally comfortable with streaming, and purchasing sports programming as different model (pay per tournament etc), however a lot of people haven't come around to this way of thinking and are stuck in the "over the air" broadcast era.

 

 

There is confusion over what equipment they need. Some people were asking if Spark were providing a 'box' because they want something to plug in and go. It would made sense for Spark to offer a couple of tiers of equipment and bundle it with a contract, or subsidize it slightly. A Samsung tablet & Chrome Cast or Apple TV etc.

 

I realize most streaming companies don't do this, but I see this as a watershed type of moment for TV in NZ.

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  Reply # 2184643 21-Feb-2019 09:04
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Dairyxox: I've talked to some co workers about this, and made some observations. I'm totally comfortable with streaming, and purchasing sports programming as different model (pay per tournament etc), however a lot of people haven't come around to this way of thinking and are stuck in the "over the air" broadcast era. There is confusion over what equipment they need. Some people were asking if Spark were providing a 'box' because they want something to plug in and go. It would made sense for Spark to offer a couple of tiers of equipment and bundle it with a contract, or subsidize it slightly. A Samsung tablet & Chrome Cast or Apple TV etc. I realize most streaming companies don't do this, but I see this as a watershed type of moment for TV in NZ.

 

Its not "stuck in the "over the air" broadcast era"  Its stuck in the "Netflix is $15, why isn't everything else?"

 

The equipment point is right. While we can say, if its no issue for Netflix subscribers, its no issue. But there is a subset of sports viewers who have no interest in VOD, but will get scooped up here. There is bound to be equipment support

 

 


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  Reply # 2184647 21-Feb-2019 09:19
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Its not "stuck in the "over the air" broadcast era"  Its stuck in the "Netflix is $15, why isn't everything else?"

 

 

So So SOOOO much this.

 

 


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  Reply # 2184683 21-Feb-2019 09:20
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I have zero interest in watching anything on an 8 to 10" device, unless it's not possible to view another way. Example, when in France year during the Lions tour of NZ, there was NO other way to watch that match, except on my phone. I was super happy I could watch it, but with ANY other option I would have paid to see it on a bigger screen.

 

I can't really imagine enjoying a match from such a tiny screen.

 

 


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  Reply # 2184719 21-Feb-2019 10:54
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Talkiet:

 

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And people think that $20/mth is a pretty decent price for the F1 (c/f F1TVPro - your alternative is an annual F1TVPro for USD50+VPN)).  [snip]

 

 

I've seen this comment a couple of times here on GZ. (F1 TV Pro for $50)... Presumably that's some super special discount coupon or reseller? Are you able to link it please? All I see (using a VPN to the US) is this...

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe another territory only charges $50 USD and doesn't have the monthly charge at all?

 

Cheers - N

 

 

 

 

It is no longer pre-season the code has now expired.


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  Reply # 2184726 21-Feb-2019 11:01
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davidcole:

 

 

 

Yes exactly.  Fanpass is not sport unbundled as was suggested above.

 

 

If Fanpass is not sport unbundled then what, pray tell, do you have to take as part of the bundle to get sport via Fanpass?

 

If you are merely quibbling about the price and the breadth of the sports offering via Fanpass then how, in your analysis, does it compare with Spark Sport?  What is the value proposition of each offering and how do they stack up - even at your contended price point of $99/mth.

 

[BTW, when I compare broadband providers should I be ignoring the TCO associated with a contract plan - or should I just focus on the casual monthly price when I make my decision?  And if not, why not?]


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  Reply # 2184740 21-Feb-2019 11:14
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I think David refers to unbundling as paying on a sport to sport basis, not paying one fee for everything. In which case Sky Sport is bundled, Fanpass is just a variation


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  Reply # 2184750 21-Feb-2019 11:22
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networkn:

tdgeek:

 

Its not "stuck in the "over the air" broadcast era"  Its stuck in the "Netflix is $15, why isn't everything else?"

 

 

So So SOOOO much this.

 

 

 

 

No, its not even this.

 

That's me, I love netfix and want other services for cheap..

 

If these people even had Netflix that would be a great start (it would mean they probably have equipment and internet good enough for Spark sport) they might not have even streamed anything before, and the whole prospect seems daunting.

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  Reply # 2184752 21-Feb-2019 11:27
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I think David refers to unbundling as paying on a sport to sport basis, not paying one fee for everything. In which case Sky Sport is bundled, Fanpass is just a variation

 

 

Oh.  Sorry.  My misunderstanding.  So you mean like paying for the EPL separately at $20/mth and the PGA separately (I dont remember the price) and the Top14 Rugby for $5/mth.  How'd that work out for CSM way back when?  Not economic - the market wasnt big enough to justify the costs.  So lets run away and get 20,000 rugby subscribers in all Asia-ex Japan.  

 

I'm pretty sure that model of "unbundling" has been around for years.  Its called direct-to-consumer.  And you can get it for a variety of sports (NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB have been doing it for years and years and years).  Even possible for F1 if Spark didnt have a monopoly on the rights in NZ.


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  Reply # 2184757 21-Feb-2019 11:31
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Dairyxox:
networkn:

 

tdgeek:

 

Its not "stuck in the "over the air" broadcast era"  Its stuck in the "Netflix is $15, why isn't everything else?"

 

 

So So SOOOO much this.

 

 

 

No, its not even this. That's me, I love netfix and want other services for cheap.. If these people even had Netflix that would be a great start (it would mean they probably have equipment and internet good enough for Spark sport) they might not have even streamed anything before, and the whole prospect seems daunting.

 

I think thats off on a tangent. Believe me, Netflix prices are standard prices now. Two people that I can recall here wanted all Sky channels for $20

 

That's not really related to your second point, which I agree with. There will be a smallish subset of non streamers who will need hand holding. But its months away and you would expect there will be some form of support for that.


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  Reply # 2184770 21-Feb-2019 11:54
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tdgeek:

 

I think David refers to unbundling as paying on a sport to sport basis, not paying one fee for everything. In which case Sky Sport is bundled, Fanpass is just a variation

 

 

Oh.  Sorry.  My misunderstanding.  So you mean like paying for the EPL separately at $20/mth and the PGA separately (I dont remember the price) and the Top14 Rugby for $5/mth.  How'd that work out for CSM way back when?  Not economic - the market wasnt big enough to justify the costs.  So lets run away and get 20,000 rugby subscribers in all Asia-ex Japan.  

 

I'm pretty sure that model of "unbundling" has been around for years.  Its called direct-to-consumer.  And you can get it for a variety of sports (NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB have been doing it for years and years and years).  Even possible for F1 if Spark didnt have a monopoly on the rights in NZ.

 

 

Yes, its not economic. I had a workmate who was paying $1200 a year for 3 sports. Sky had them, also at $1200 per year, and so much more after that, recording etc


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  Reply # 2184834 21-Feb-2019 14:06
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$20 a month doesn't sound too bad.

 

But If I did subscribe, It would only probably for the duration of the F1 season. Once the F1 is over, there isn't enough there to keep me forking out the dosh. Yes, I've mentioned WRC in other posts, but if it's on i'll watch it, and although I do keep an eye on the EPL, I don't watch a lot, if any, of it.

 

Although, it'll be interesting to see what other sports Spark pick up the rights too.

 

As a current Sky sports subscriber, I keep that going all the time as in the past you've had the Supercars\F1\Rugby on during the winter months, and cricket\darts on over the summer\christmas.

 

I wonder how seasonal the Spark Sport customer base will be


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  Reply # 2184855 21-Feb-2019 14:21
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This might be a silly question, or possibly it's already been answered so sorry in advance if that is the case, but how would someone actually get 5.1 audio working with Spark Sport as it will be at launch? 

 

A desktop PC connected to a receiver with HDMI or optical I could see being able to work, but a standard laptop with a HDMI output is normally only 2 channel, and even if it did output 5.1 over the HDMI, that would still require a receiver with HDMI inputs, or a TV to be able to pass through a 5.1 signal to the SPDIF out (mine doesn't seem to be able to).

In my case I have a pre-HDMI receiver with optical and coaxial inputs, this works great for freeview through SPDIF from the TV, or for the BluRay player I've got a coaxial cable, this works great for netflix etc too, as the BluRay player has an app for this, but I can't see how someone in my situation would be able to get 5.1 working without actually getting a device of some sort that has HDMI and coaxial out, or am I missing something here?


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