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  #2861745 4-Feb-2022 14:15
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Kookoo: I am, but not by the means of consumer activism. This is what really irks me about the whole thing. The power of consumers should not determine what's factual, what's fair, and what's damaging and harming to the society. We're lucky that the majority of people seem to be on the side of factual truth in this particular case, but that's not always going to be the case. Would you be happy if, say, creationists in the US banded together to force Spotify to deplatform the "Science Vs" podcast? The reason that consumer activism is used to influence companies to deplatform podcast hosts, content creators, etc, is the need to fill the void that was left by the regulators. The average citizen has no other formal ways to act, so they're forced to use their consumer power instead. What we see here is the direct result of the abrogation of responsibility by multiple governments around the world. Spotify, Deezer, Youtube, etc, plus all the social platforms, are all broadcasters. The fact they use a different technology doesn't mean they are not. As such they should be regulated by BSA, Ofcom, and their equivalent in every country they are available. Then this whole problem will pretty quickly resolve itself.

 

So if it was a podcast about gay men and how it is wrong and what should be done them then it would be fine for a Islamic country to allow it?

 

 


 
 
 
 

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  #2862564 6-Feb-2022 15:51
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Jas777:

Kookoo: I am, but not by the means of consumer activism. ountry they are available. Then this whole problem will pretty quickly resolve itself.

 

So if it was a podcast about gay men and how it is wrong and what should be done them then it would be fine for a Islamic country to allow it?

 

 

 

Pretty much. That's the situation today, and as bad as it is - consumer activism is worse. Your example is actually a bit ironic. There are almost 2 billion Muslims in the world, and just over 2 billion Christians. Now imagine that the more extreme wings of both camps banded together to apply consumer pressure to ban gay podcasts. We're talking about a billion people demanding it. I would not want to bet on the outcome of such a campaign.

 

No, instead, I'd rather go by the law of the land.

 

You live in Iran? I am sorry. I realise it's extremely tough to be gay there, but the change isn't going to come from a podcast I'm afraid.

 

You live in New Zealand? Congratulations, you can enjoy freedom of speech unless you're spreading misinformation and stupidity.

 

You live in the US? Congratulations, you have unchecked freedom of speech, and you're free to get smarter or stupider as you like.




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  #2862565 6-Feb-2022 15:55
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On a separate topic - is it me, or is Deezer missing "clean" versions of some songs?

 

Miss teenager likes Doja Cat and Cardi B, and while I contemplate where we went wrong as her parents, I do allow her to listen to the clean versions in the car on Spotify.

 

Thing is - I can't see any of it on Deezer, just the explicit versions.




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  #2862636 6-Feb-2022 16:41
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I gave Deezer a try yesterday but unfortunately won’t be able to switch to it. We use Google Home speakers quite a bit at home and you’re currently unable to link Deezer as a music service on the Google Home app. It is a regional restriction that won’t be solved anytime soon from what I’ve read on their support forums.

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  #2862638 6-Feb-2022 16:52
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Kookoo: On a separate topic - is it me, or is Deezer missing "clean" versions of some songs? Miss teenager likes Doja Cat and Cardi B, and while I contemplate where we went wrong as her parents, I do allow her to listen to the clean versions in the car on Spotify. Thing is - I can't see any of it on Deezer, just the explicit versions.

 

 

 

There are clean versions of songs it's just up to the artist/record choice to release said clean version of songs to streaming service.

 

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  #2862640 6-Feb-2022 17:00
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MaxineN:

Kookoo: On a separate topic - is it me, or is Deezer missing "clean" versions of some songs? Miss teenager likes Doja Cat and Cardi B, and while I contemplate where we went wrong as her parents, I do allow her to listen to the clean versions in the car on Spotify. Thing is - I can't see any of it on Deezer, just the explicit versions.

 

 

 

There are clean versions of songs it's just up to the artist/record choice to release said clean version of songs to streaming service.

 

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I realise that - we've got the clean versions on Spotify. What I'm asking is if anyone using Deezer noticed that some of the clean versions were missing compared to Spotify.




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  #2862641 6-Feb-2022 17:02
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Kookoo:I realise that - we've got the clean versions on Spotify. What I'm asking is if anyone using Deezer noticed that some of the clean versions were missing compared to Spotify.

 

 

 

No. Mostly because I'm not the one to care about explicit language in songs.

 

 

 

 





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  #2864409 9-Feb-2022 21:39
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morrisk:

ANglEAUT:


Is there any service out there that lets you combine a streaming experience with the ability to upload your own library? Basically Google Play Music from years ago with the ability to discover new content?


 



iTunes Match does this - this is a part of Apple Music although it is a separate annual fee for it.



I have scrolled this thread to see someone with the same problem as me - this one.

Have lots of music, and have recently started a divorce from itunes/itunes match/apple music reliability has been poor and getting worse as they focus on streaming.

I have toyed with going into streaming only but have some musical tastes that arent that mainstream so it isn't easily a complete solution.

I now have a lifetime plexpass and am using plexamp for streaming my music from home/downloading.

It works really well on iphones, apple tv and homepods. Also has carplay app. Am now quite happy.

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Edit: forgot to say they also have a new thing - sonic adventures which is good:

https://www.plex.tv/en-gb/blog/super-sonic-get-closer-to-your-music-in-plexamp/

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  #2864429 9-Feb-2022 22:55
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Kookoo: On a separate topic - is it me, or is Deezer missing "clean" versions of some songs? Miss teenager likes Doja Cat and Cardi B, and while I contemplate where we went wrong as her parents, I do allow her to listen to the clean versions in the car on Spotify. Thing is - I can't see any of it on Deezer, just the explicit versions.

 

Good. I am sick of having censored versions of songs, and that is one thing that really annoyed me with spotify randomly substituting in versions of songs off crappy walmart CDs or some lousy compilation disc.

 

I with it had a filter for butchered versions.





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  #2864431 9-Feb-2022 23:25
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@jonherries Have you tried a trial of Tidal for example to see if your music is there? You may be surprised.





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  #2864797 10-Feb-2022 15:20
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Haven't read the entire thread, but wanted to say that anyone who hasn't listened to more than a few (often out of context) soundbites of Rogan shouldn't even offer an opinion. I don't agree with everything he or his guests say, but he has a wide variety of guests with many different views.

 

He's not a news show, and doesn't claim to be. It's two people sitting down discussing their opinions on various topics. Sometimes those opinions won't be the same as yours, and sometimes those opinions will be plain incorrect. He's scientifically incorrect when he's say the vaccines are gene therapy, but most of his other opinions around Covid are stated clearly as just that - opinions. "I don't think kids need the vaccine" is very different from "Kids don't need the vaccine".

 

Regardless, Spotify would be fools to dump him with the massive audience he has. It's been all over the news about how much their stock dropped after this, but articles generally omitted the fact that it was just continuing a downward trend that started before this controversy.


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  #2864799 10-Feb-2022 15:24
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Paul1977:

 

Haven't read the entire thread, but wanted to say that anyone who hasn't listened to more than a few (often out of context) soundbites shouldn't even offer an opinion. I don't agree with everything he or his guests say, but he has a wide variety of guests with many different views.

 

He's not a news show, and doesn't claim to be. It's two people sitting down discussing their opinions on various topics. Sometimes those opinions won't be the same as yours, and sometimes those opinions will be plain incorrect. He's scientifically incorrect when he's say the vaccines are gene therapy, but most of his other opinions around Covid are stated clearly as just that - opinions. "I don't think kids need the vaccine" is very different from "Kids don't need the vaccine".

 

Regardless, Spotify would be fools to dump him with the massive audience he has. It's been all over the news about how much their stock dropped after this, but articles generally omitted the fact that it was just continuing a downward trend that started before this controversy.

 

 

But he's a podcast.  I pay spotify for music.  End of argument.   

 

There were a number of members of this thread that didn't care for the content of the podcast, but took exception to having ANY podcasts taking pride of place in the app.

 

 





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  #2870433 17-Feb-2022 15:58
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I've given up on Deezer. Google Home unavailability didn't bother me that much, but there were 2 things that really irked me about it:

 

     

  1. Google assistant. Deezer and Google being unable to agree on commercial terms for broader availability of Deezer in Google Home also means it's unavailable in Google Assistant on my mobile. Neither can I get Deezer to play something by specifying it, e.g. "Hey google, play [song] on Deezer". This just returns an error and tells you to open the Deezer app.
  2. The search function is really unintuitive. First, you can't pre-select the search parameters, so it constantly returns a hodge-podge of songs, podcasts, "episodes" (what is that?), playlists, and albums. Then you can filter through that. Second, the database is flooded with karaoke and cover versions, so searching for a popular song returns tens of results with "karaoke" in the title with no way of filtering them out.

 

Nah, back to Spotify which is a real shame.





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  #2870468 17-Feb-2022 17:10
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OP here.

 

 

 

An update on my experience. I certainly wouldn't say it has been plain sailing, there are many things that I find difficult to adapt to with Deezer.

 

 

 

On my list

 

  • You can't download the made for you daily play lists for off-line listening. Spotify allows you to do this and was really useful to decrease data usage in the car
  • With CarPlay there is no autoplay from where you left off. If you are playing Deezer in your car and disconnect CarPlay (popping into a shop). When you get back in the car you're back to the home screen. selecting the same playlist that you were listening to means you may get the same songs again you were just listening to before getting out of the car.
  • There's no native Apps on Android TV or Apple TV. You need to cast/airplay if you want to use a receiver connected to a TV.
  • The curated playlists from the Deezer content team aren't updated with new content anywhere near as frequently as Spotify. Some very popular play lists which have been favourited by hundreds of thousands of people haven't been updated in 4-6 months.
  • Every time I start a new play list I have turn on shuffle, Spotify allowed you to set a preference (eg. shuffle for play lists and sequential for albums)

 

 

None of the above are deal breakers, more annoyances. I will persevere a little longer before trying another service if I just can't adapt.

 

 

 

On the plus side

 

  • Sound quality is awesome. Can't believe how much I was missing out even using Spotify's V.High Quality setting.
  • Flow, I find this nails my music tastes pretty well with limited data to go on and it only keeps getting better the more I use Deezer.
  • haven' come across any artists that I like that are not available.

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  #2870477 17-Feb-2022 17:20
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Amazon music has a free 3 month trial at the moment so I’ve signed up for that to see how it is.




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