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  Reply # 1045730 15-May-2014 19:01
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If I ever get ufb I will probably go on the 1000/1000 plan just because. But 200/200 would probably be enough for now.




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  Reply # 1045739 15-May-2014 19:19
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100/20 at the ADSL price would be great...whenever UFB finally makes it to us.  We're probably 2017+ too

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  Reply # 1045799 15-May-2014 20:41
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DjShadow: 50/20 and 100/50 speed

and of course having the UFB offering on all LFCs, not just Chorus!

Yes please dont forget about us poor suckers stuck on enable fibre, hopefully they will come to the party and offer similar wholesale plans (yeah right) they cant even deploy the network on schedule!

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  Reply # 1045812 15-May-2014 20:46
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DjShadow: 50/20 and 100/50 speed

and of course having the UFB offering on all LFCs, not just Chorus!

Yes please dont forget about us poor suckers stuck on enable fibre, hopefully they will come to the party and offer similar wholesale plans (yeah right) they cant even deploy the network on schedule!


ild expect given chorus have done this, the other LFCs will follow suit..




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  Reply # 1045920 15-May-2014 23:24
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BigPipeNZ: As an indication of price - the entry level 100/20 will most likely be the same as our naked ADSL ($79).  

Here are the Chorus plans announced:    
Downstream speed(Mbps)/Upstream Speed(MBps)  
 
100/20
100/50 
100/100   
200/20 
200/100
200/200  
1000/1000   

Since it probably has to be narrowed down to simplify things i thought id see what could be feasibly dropped and make things more simple

Here's my baseless guesses as to what prices could be which are probably very poor estimates, i used your $79 plan example to build the pricing model off but they are probably too low. I have no idea what other ISP costs come to such as staff, equipment, bandwidth, gcsb intercept box, power, rent etc. I also know nothing about marketing ISP plans and am not comparing these to competing ISP prices in the slightest. But hey, i have some basic reasoning! Chorus wholesale prices are in brackets. 

100/20 $79 ($40) - Fast cheap entry level. Focused at downloaders, and great value. Will cover the vast majority of users. $39 leftover for expenses
100/100 $95 ($50) - Symmetric. More upload speed at still a very cheap price. Uploaders i feel would pay a bit extra. $45 leftover for expenses

200/20 $105 ($55) -  Focused at downloaders who don't care for the extra upload. $50 leftover for expenses
200/200 $125 ($65) - Symmetric. Priced a bit higher because those who are going to be uploading a lot, probably will be fairly taxing on the network in general. $60 leftover for expenses

1000/1000 $400 ($275) - True Giganaire. Insanely fast, but priced at a reachable level for those who want it. $125 leftover for expenses. Heck, push it up to $500 even, that leaves a much larger $225 for expenses; they are gigarich after all!

And skipping these below, even though they are in between, i think i prefer the simplicity of not having a ton of plans from a marketing perspective. Give people too much choice and it can make them hard to decide. My suggestions above are clear cut. Three levels of speed, with a premium charge for extra upload.
100/50 ($45) - Close to 100/20, may as well bump to 100 if you want the extra upload speed.
200/100 ($60) - More upload than the 200/20 but its not far to keep going to the 200/200 plan. Even though some might want this in between option, i think the simplicity is worth dropping it.

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  Reply # 1045932 15-May-2014 23:29
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nakedmolerat: Does it come with master filer tongue-out


is that someone whose job it is to organise all those legal torrents?

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  Reply # 1045943 15-May-2014 23:36
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1000/1000 $400 ($275) - True Giganaire. Insanely fast, but priced at a reachable level for those who want it. $125 leftover for expenses.


LOL. can't see that happening.  The $275 is just the wholesale circuit - still need to factor in cost of isp, plus local and international transit. Even if the international transit was priced at $1/mbps/mth (generally retails for $30-$50/Mbps?) that would still require $1k/mth to provide peak capacity for a single connection.

If you got a 1Gbps connection, how fast would you expect it to work locally, nationally, internationally?

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  Reply # 1045949 16-May-2014 00:04
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See my edit :P 
As i said, the pricing is probably way off, and that id used the $79 plan as a starting point for how much they had leftover margin wise. But that one I feel should be very much a "best effort" service. We're talking residential here and you should never expect a business level service. I know what a business grade gigabit plan with high CIR can cost, and its 5 digits.
The idea is to be bursting gigabit speeds, and probably running in the lower hundreds at peak times. But in non peak times when they have spare capacity, you can make use of that since its being otherwise unused. I feel thats not too unreasonable.

Bigpipe did mention it, so i decided to include one take on it if it was to be included, partially as a bit tongue in cheek. It doesn't mean its well researched or a good suggestion by any means.



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great feedback so far guys.  Thanks very much





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  Reply # 1046078 16-May-2014 09:27
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Shoes2468:
DjShadow: 50/20 and 100/50 speed

and of course having the UFB offering on all LFCs, not just Chorus!

Yes please dont forget about us poor suckers stuck on enable fibre, hopefully they will come to the party and offer similar wholesale plans (yeah right) they cant even deploy the network on schedule!


It's not that bad.  Yeah, it's a pain when ISPs only cover Chorus areas.  I'm in an Ultrafast Fibre area, and they will have their build finished several years before Chorus does.

Wanganui has two UFB residential service providers (Inspire Net and Orcon) so I'm not holding my breath for BigPipe.

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  Reply # 1046177 16-May-2014 11:42
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Just about to switch to Vodafone Naked UFB from Bigpipe, my LFC is Northpower. Definitely would have stayed with Bigpipe if UFB plans were available. Probably will switch back once my contract with Vodafone is over so hopefully you're onboarded with Northpower by then.

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Shoes2468:
DjShadow: 50/20 and 100/50 speed

and of course having the UFB offering on all LFCs, not just Chorus!

Yes please dont forget about us poor suckers stuck on enable fibre, hopefully they will come to the party and offer similar wholesale plans (yeah right) they cant even deploy the network on schedule!

I'll second that!
Enable indicated that they will have UFB up and running around June in my area, would love to get it thru Big Pipe!

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graemeh:

The reality is that my biggest limitation on internet speed is my home wireless and if I fixed that and went on to 100/100 the limitation would probably be the PC itself.


I noticed this issue too when going to VDSL from ADSL - while modem was syncing at around 30Mbits the actual speed via WIFI was around 20Mbits tops...

After quite a bit of practical research (and few WIFI routers acquisitions) I can now get full 30Mbits via WIFI all around the house and actually saw 3.5MBytes p/s download speed while on WIFI as a result.

It appears that N300 would not actually deliver anything even close to 300Mbits speed even in close proximity to the WIFI router, unless you force wide channels (40MGhz on 2.4G band and 80MGhz on 5G band), only then several wireless channels working together at whatever rate they can actually achieve will delver reasonable speeds over WIFI. After lots of trials (and errors) ended up Netgear R6300 with DD-WRT firmware and txpower boosted to have a decent speed around medium sized weatherboard house.

So basically unless you have a simultaneous dual-band Gigabit WIFI router and (preferably) use 5G band (which has reduced range compared to 2.4G) WIFI performance becomes a bottleneck even for VDSL connection speeds.

Which makes me wonder, how many people out there in a wild will get 100 Mbit down UFB plans and not be able to get anywhere close to these speeds because of their WIFI routers and their default settings?

(Ethernet is soooo last century that I don't even consider it as an option)

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  Reply # 1046431 16-May-2014 17:45
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graemeh:

The reality is that my biggest limitation on internet speed is my home wireless and if I fixed that and went on to 100/100 the limitation would probably be the PC itself.


I noticed this issue too when going to VDSL from ADSL - while modem was syncing at around 30Mbits the actual speed via WIFI was around 20Mbits tops...

After quite a bit of practical research (and few WIFI routers acquisitions) I can now get full 30Mbits via WIFI all around the house and actually saw 3.5MBytes p/s download speed while on WIFI as a result.

It appears that N300 would not actually deliver anything even close to 300Mbits speed even in close proximity to the WIFI router, unless you force wide channels (40MGhz on 2.4G band and 80MGhz on 5G band), only then several wireless channels working together at whatever rate they can actually achieve will delver reasonable speeds over WIFI. After lots of trials (and errors) ended up Netgear R6300 with DD-WRT firmware and txpower boosted to have a decent speed around medium sized weatherboard house.

So basically unless you have a simultaneous dual-band Gigabit WIFI router and (preferably) use 5G band (which has reduced range compared to 2.4G) WIFI performance becomes a bottleneck even for VDSL connection speeds.

Which makes me wonder, how many people out there in a wild will get 100 Mbit down UFB plans and not be able to get anywhere close to these speeds because of their WIFI routers and their default settings?

(Ethernet is soooo last century that I don't even consider it as an option)


wireless is never for pushing too heavy data.

personally, i max my 60/10 vdsl line over wireless, depending on what the neighbours access points are doing that day though, it could be as low as 5mbit. (2.4ghz 40mhz)


the "300mbit" titles are so missleading, it aint even funny.



i will never be without my Ethernet. maybe when wireless consistently provides me with atlest gbit speeds, and a consistent stream (which will never happen, a random spike will always be about.) 





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marvin: It appears that N300 would not actually deliver anything even close to 300Mbits speed even in close proximity to the WIFI router, unless you force wide channels (40MGhz on 2.4G band and 80MGhz on 5G band), only then several wireless channels working together at whatever rate they can actually achieve will delver reasonable speeds over WIFI. After lots of trials (and errors) ended up Netgear R6300 with DD-WRT firmware and txpower boosted to have a decent speed around medium sized weatherboard house.

So basically unless you have a simultaneous dual-band Gigabit WIFI router and (preferably) use 5G band (which has reduced range compared to 2.4G) WIFI performance becomes a bottleneck even for VDSL connection speeds.

Which makes me wonder, how many people out there in a wild will get 100 Mbit down UFB plans and not be able to get anywhere close to these speeds because of their WIFI routers and their default settings?

(Ethernet is soooo last century that I don't even consider it as an option)

Yeah it isn't actually "N300" unless its in 40mhz mode at all. Its generally ~130 odd for most connections in 20mhz mode.

And thats only the physical rate. Wireless rated speeds are always the PHY rate, not the real world throughput rate. On 5ghz 20mhz (130Mbps) you can get approx 80 megabit of real world throughput.

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