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Topic # 160518 9-Jan-2015 16:17
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Hi, simple question really.

Considering switching to bigpipe, but i have been hearing stuff about ISPs throttling p2p connections here in NZ. 

No idea what this is, or if bigpipe does it. 

However, we do use P2P a bit, but not heaps. Definitely nothing ridiculous. 

Would this be a problem on bigpipe?

Cheers. 

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  Reply # 1211267 9-Jan-2015 16:38
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Simple answer - No.

They don't throttle a single thing. You get the full Bigpipe of bandwidth.




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  Reply # 1211280 9-Jan-2015 16:56
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Nope. Feel free to torrent your heart out (legally, of course)




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  Reply # 1212261 12-Jan-2015 09:12
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Does bigpipe even run appliances that can rate shape?

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  Reply # 1212362 12-Jan-2015 11:04
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eXDee: Does bigpipe even run appliances that can rate shape?


No.  We don't do any shaping, throttling, squashing, or crushing. 
We don't even have the ability to do it if we wanted to. (which we don't want to)

It's full speed all the time for us - hence the name.





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  Reply # 1212379 12-Jan-2015 11:23
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Yeah i knew you didn't, was just curious if any of your gear even supported that.

I'd be really curious to see how bare bones your infrastructure is. I'm sure vendors like F5, Palo Alto, ALU etc are sad if you aren't paying them thousands for licensing and support!

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  Reply # 1219620 22-Jan-2015 00:41
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BigPipeNZ:
eXDee: Does bigpipe even run appliances that can rate shape?


No.  We don't do any shaping, throttling, squashing, or crushing. 
We don't even have the ability to do it if we wanted to. (which we don't want to)

It's full speed all the time for us - hence the name.


But do Spark? Since you're behind a CG-NAT would any shaping they do not also affect BigPipe customers?

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  Reply # 1219626 22-Jan-2015 01:01
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TonyR1973:
BigPipeNZ:
eXDee: Does bigpipe even run appliances that can rate shape?


No.  We don't do any shaping, throttling, squashing, or crushing. 
We don't even have the ability to do it if we wanted to. (which we don't want to)

It's full speed all the time for us - hence the name.


But do Spark? Since you're behind a CG-NAT would any shaping they do not also affect BigPipe customers?


they don't, but even if they did it wouldn't effect us any more than it would effect Vodafone, Orcon, or Slingshot.  We operate totally separately from Spark.

(and I don't really see what CGNAT has to do with it)




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  Reply # 1219640 22-Jan-2015 01:16
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I was simply saying that you do use Spark infrastructure, do you not? Not necessarily that the CG-NAT has anything specific to do with it except that most of your traffic goes through Spark via it.

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  Reply # 1219647 22-Jan-2015 01:25
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TonyR1973: I was simply saying that you do use Spark infrastructure, do you not? Not necessarily that the CG-NAT has anything specific to do with it except that most of your traffic goes through Spark via it.


No, we don't use Spark infrastructure.




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  Reply # 1219651 22-Jan-2015 02:01
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BigPipeNZ:
TonyR1973: I was simply saying that you do use Spark infrastructure, do you not? Not necessarily that the CG-NAT has anything specific to do with it except that most of your traffic goes through Spark via it.


No, we don't use Spark infrastructure.


Oh, OK then. That was my understanding of the structure.

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TonyR1973: I was simply saying that you do use Spark infrastructure, do you not? Not necessarily that the CG-NAT has anything specific to do with it except that most of your traffic goes through Spark via it.


BigPipe don't (and never have) used any of the Spark network. They deployed their network from scratch.

It could be argued however that it was totally illogical to reinvent the wheel since Spark have such as a massive infrastructure deployment nationwide!



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  Reply # 1219971 22-Jan-2015 12:13
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Especially when there are claims that spark makes zero money on broadband, one would think consolidation would be a good thing.

Anywhoo i would imagine if bigpipe doesnt throttle p2p, there could be some issues with the cg-nat.

Torrenting will still work but if your computer is not directly accessible (public ip+upnp in router) then your computer has to do all the work when establishing connections to other computers in the torrent. 
The design of the torrent protocol is such that the (distributed) tracker can tell a seed to connect to you and start sending you data - an opportunity you would miss out on.

So in general its fine, but torrents may take a while longer to get up to speed. Of course once you have made a connection handshake between you and a good seed (no matter who initiated it) your good to go.
Torrents with only a few seeders or peers will take much longer to get going than if you had a public ip address + upnp.

This will be solved when bigpipe launches IPv6 of course.




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  Reply # 1220115 22-Jan-2015 14:13
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raytaylor: Especially when there are claims that spark makes zero money on broadband, one would think consolidation would be a good thing.


Don't forget to include the cost and time to do the consolidation.

Having worked in a few Telcos I expect that the cost of building Bigpipe on top of Spark infrastructure was too high and would restrict future development.  It wouldn't just be the cost of building on to the network infrastructure, you would also need to fit into the fulfil and assure platforms and that may add a level of overhead that Bigpipe just didn't need.

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  Reply # 1220120 22-Jan-2015 14:25
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I still see incoming torrent connections in my big pipe connection.

Have upnp and the other Nat option ticked in utorrent and upnp enabled on the router. Perhaps there is a torrent alg on the big pipe Nat gear looking at tracker advertisements or the dht traffic?




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  Reply # 1220222 22-Jan-2015 16:39
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richms: I still see incoming torrent connections in my big pipe connection.

Have upnp and the other Nat option ticked in utorrent and upnp enabled on the router. Perhaps there is a torrent alg on the big pipe Nat gear looking at tracker advertisements or the dht traffic?

did you get a public or static ip?

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