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# 175776 11-Jul-2015 16:22
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Interested to see who wants BigPipe to support and provide IPv6?

With IPv4 exhausted and becoming hard to lease, I would have thought BigPipe would have a timeframe for activation, if not already! Support advised they don't provide IPv^ and have no ETA for it.

I want to activate IPv6 for a remotely hosted server, but am unable to effectively tested if I cannot do IPv6 with BigPipe.

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  # 1341209 11-Jul-2015 17:25
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I'd like to see it. As you've mentioned though, no time frame as far as I'm aware.

You could look at getting a static v4 IP and running a tunnel from a provider such as HE.net, perhaps? It's not native, but better than nothing if you want to play with v6.

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  # 1341224 11-Jul-2015 18:09
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With no shortage of IPV4 addresses and no compelling reasons for investing in IPV6 I wouldn't expect the status quo to change for most NZ ISPs in the short to medium term.



 
 
 
 




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  # 1341251 11-Jul-2015 18:36
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sbiddle: With no shortage of IPV4 addresses

Try and get some from APNIC or purchase/lease a block from another owner.

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  # 1341280 11-Jul-2015 18:54
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aumouth:
sbiddle: With no shortage of IPV4 addresses

Try and get some from APNIC or purchase/lease a block from another owner.


There is no shortage of IPV4 addresses across any of NZ's big ISPs. As I stated there is no shortage of IPV4 addresses - I'm aware of a few of NZ's big ISPs that still have hundreds of thousands of free IPs

Trying to get IPV4 addresses as you suggest is a very different issue entirely.

As discussed in the many threads on here discussing this very issue I'm sure we'll see big ISPs look at IPV6 when there is a compelling reason for them to invest in that. Right now there isn't, so it's not a focus. I suspect we'll see IPV6 in the mobile space long before it becomes a priority for fixed line.

If IPV6 is essential I suggest you look to move to a provider who offers it natively.





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  # 1341295 11-Jul-2015 19:15
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sbiddle:
aumouth:
sbiddle: With no shortage of IPV4 addresses

Try and get some from APNIC or purchase/lease a block from another owner.


I'm aware of a few of NZ's big ISPs that still have hundreds of thousands of free IPs
Trying to get IPV4 addresses as you suggest is a very different issue entirely.


As I said, try and get some for your own business or start an ISP. Very difficult.
RIPE (Europe) and ARIN (America's) have none to give - they've moved to entirely reselling marketplace for IPv4.
As services - game servers will be the first IMHO, followed by IOT and Web, become IPv6 only (as we are already seeing) ISP's that don't have an ETA and roadmap in place will be left behind. Certainly not seen as leaders or best of breed.
Mobile has plenty, it's those big ISP's with 100's of thousands of IPv4 still remaining that control the mobile space, so they'll be no push for IPv6 from mobile.

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  # 1341337 11-Jul-2015 20:32
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aumouth:
Mobile has plenty, it's those big ISP's with 100's of thousands of IPv4 still remaining that control the mobile space, so they'll be no push for IPv6 from mobile.


I disagree entirely.

The mobile space will push IPV6 adoption. Currently mobile is all CG-NAT, so moving to dual stack IPV4 CG-NAT and IPV6 is a very logical move, and certainly the plan of many major mobile carriers around the world.





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  # 1341347 11-Jul-2015 20:36
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aumouth: Interested to see who wants BigPipe to support and provide IPv6?


And back to the purpose and point ....

 
 
 
 


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  # 1341348 11-Jul-2015 20:37
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aumouth:
sbiddle:
aumouth:
sbiddle: With no shortage of IPV4 addresses

Try and get some from APNIC or purchase/lease a block from another owner.


I'm aware of a few of NZ's big ISPs that still have hundreds of thousands of free IPs
Trying to get IPV4 addresses as you suggest is a very different issue entirely.


As I said, try and get some for your own business or start an ISP. Very difficult.


But your question is about a consumer ISP providing consumers with IPv6. I don't see how this relates to business or an entrepreneur planning on starting an ISP...





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  # 1342031 13-Jul-2015 11:09
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it's on the roadmap to do it, but to be honest we only have limited amount of money and people, and we get more value out of using our network team for stuff like launching UFB in to areas we haven't yet launched, or fixing stuff that goes wrong.
Adding IPV6 right now is only useful for such a tiny amount of people, it's just not worth the cost.  

However, if you can make a compelling reason why we should prioritise it (other than 'I like tinkering with stuff') I'm very open to hearing it.

Bear in mind the following:

1) CGNAT is totally fine for the majority of people
2) for those who need a public IP for things like hosting game servers, we do offer a static public IPv4 for a very reasonable one-off cost.
3) we are a residential ISP, designed for home broadband.




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  # 1342042 13-Jul-2015 11:18
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BigPipeNZ:1) CGNAT is totally fine for the majority of people
2) for those who need a public IP for things like hosting game servers, we do offer a static public IPv4 for a very reasonable one-off cost.
3) we are a residential ISP, designed for home broadband.

IMO having IPv6 would be a good step for a CGNAT ISP. But i can see your point especially regarding limited resources.

At least you're transparent about it, this is a far cry from the majority of providers.

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  # 1342069 13-Jul-2015 11:49
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I'd say there would be a decent chunk of your userbase who would want IPv6, even if it is just for tinkering.

Personally I'd pay another $45 one-off for v6 connectivity :P

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  # 1342092 13-Jul-2015 12:37
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Was chatting to a tech guy at an ISP some time ago, and he said that they were all ready for IPv6 on the equipment front, the problem was the rat's nest of ancient legacy code that was their billing & customer management 'system'. frown

All sorts of hidden and sometimes unexpected places that 'knew' that an IP address was either a 32-bit unsigned integer, or a varchar(15) ["999.999.999.999"], and which in test blew up in all sorts of exciting ways if you presented it with a 128-bit IPv6 address or a text string formatted like "FD01:8026:49C7::0EFA:0001".
Remediating the software, and testing it to the level that would keep their internal beanies and the auditors happy, was going to be a multi-gazillion dollar high-risk project that would return little if anything to the bottom line and wasn't 'needed' at the moment, anyway.
IPv6? Don't hold your breath!

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  # 1342138 13-Jul-2015 13:10
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PolicyGuy: Was chatting to a tech guy at an ISP some time ago, and he said that they were all ready for IPv6 on the equipment front, the problem was the rat's nest of ancient legacy code that was their billing & customer management 'system'. frown


Just out of curiosity I'd be keen to hear BigPipe's view on this in light of the fact they do not bill or track usage,

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PolicyGuy: Was chatting to a tech guy at an ISP some time ago, and he said that they were all ready for IPv6 on the equipment front, the problem was the rat's nest of ancient legacy code that was their billing & customer management 'system'. frown


Just out of curiosity I'd be keen to hear BigPipe's view on this in light of the fact they do not bill or track usage,


Correct.  
But that's not the reason we aren't doing it yet.  


But it's still not as simple as just hitting a switch (nothing ever is) so it has to go into the backlog of work and be prioritised along with everything else.




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  # 1342158 13-Jul-2015 13:29
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Makes sense. Thanks!

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