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  Reply # 1529456 10-Apr-2016 13:17
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I'll +1 that @michaelmurfy! I was all set to swap to MR until I learned they have indefinitely delayed their plans to launch IPv6. When I questioned them about it they responded that they had delayed it due to 'lack of customer demand'. BP and MR really should be stepping up and saying, this is the future of the Internet, we are progressive companies that like to stand apart from the big players, we're going to give our customers the very best the internet has to provide. In response to a post by kelots from MR I put together some stats which he never responded to. I'll repost them here:

 

 

RSP's Running Dual Stack: Internode in Aus is (as of 2008). AT&T in the US has since 2011 (with 53% of traffic now using IPv6). Charter in US since 2012 (although recent reports state that the roll out has stalled). Comcast have been trialing it since 2011 (with 42% of their traffic now using IPv6). BT in the UK is rolling it out this year to all customers. In NZ 2Degrees support it; Orcon do for DSL and rolling out for Fibre early this year; Inspire and even Woosh (who aren't exactly known for their tech prowess these days).

 

97% of TLD's support IPv6, there are over 7549199 domains world wide with AAAA records yet only 20.9% of ASes run IPV6 (source). Around 17-20% of the world top 1000 websites use native IPv6 inc half of the top 10 (and all of the top 3). Nearly 10% of Googles traffic is now IPv6. Belgium leads the way (according to Akamai) for adoption with 31.7%, where as NZ currently sits at a poultry 39th with 0.8%.

 

The problem we seem to be stuck with is that ISP's say its not worth the investment until services support/require it and services says its not worth the investment until ISP's support it (anecdotal based on my research). It amazes me that I can get a NZ based VPS with dual stack for $5 a month yet I can't get IPv6 with the largest RSP's in the country.

 

To quote MR on their site: "We believe in delivering an awesome internet experience for all kiwis at mass market prices." What better way to have an awesome internet experience than by being able to enjoy everything that the internet has to offer at incredible speeds and an awesome price?

 

 

Won't someone think of the kitty frown


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  Reply # 1529547 10-Apr-2016 16:54
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I'm interested to know a source for those stats.

 

I can't find anything that backs up claims of 53% of traffic on AT&T using IPv6 for example - I can see stats showing the amount of IPv6 dual stack traffic to Akamai that is similar, but Akamai is merely a small part of the internet.

 

 


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  Reply # 1529563 10-Apr-2016 17:12
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michaelmurfy:

 

NonprayingMantis: Don't think it's quite as easy as 'flick the switch'

 

I've done IPv6 deployments before. It really isn't all that difficult and for network engineers with IPv6 as their background it is almost as simple as "flicking a switch".

 

 

While I don't disagree that network operators should support the standard, after all it's 10+ years old now. However, it's a lot harder than simply 'flicking the switch' to make all your support systems and staff support it too.

 

Think you'll have better luck getting BigPipe to peer :)


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  Reply # 1529586 10-Apr-2016 17:44
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I'm interested to know a source for those stats.

 

I can't find anything that backs up claims of 53% of traffic on AT&T using IPv6 for example - I can see stats showing the amount of IPv6 dual stack traffic to Akamai that is similar, but Akamai is merely a small part of the internet.

 

 

 

 

On reflection I'm not sure where I got the AT&T number from. I think I may have mis-interrupted the deployment stats from worldipv6launch.org. I put the response together in a hurry so I may well have fudged a few things unintentionally along the way.




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  Reply # 1545690 3-May-2016 03:22
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Hmm there have been quite a few "router upgrades" as of late on BigPipe (including several small outages). I forgot to put my phone on silent so got an outage notification of a 10min outage on my home network from external monitoring. Is this the sign IPv6 is coming?

 

@BigpipeNZ (via GP Forums), 30/01/2014:
We aren't offering static IP at this point, but will look to implement it when we start using IPv6, or maybe before if enough people demand it.

 

So we have static IP address but no V6 lovin' ;(





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michaelmurfy:

 

Hmm there have been quite a few "router upgrades" as of late on BigPipe (including several small outages). I forgot to put my phone on silent so got an outage notification of a 10min outage on my home network from external monitoring. Is this the sign IPv6 is coming?

 

@BigpipeNZ (via GP Forums), 30/01/2014:
We aren't offering static IP at this point, but will look to implement it when we start using IPv6, or maybe before if enough people demand it.

 

So we have static IP address but no V6 lovin' ;(

 

 

 

 

30th Jan 2014.     "maybe before if enough people demand it".

 

Enough people demanded it. (static IP).

 

The outage was unrelated.  Some "unplanned maintenance"

 

 

 

Patience for the IPv6.  The switch flipping takes time.  (It's a pretty big switch, needs a bit of CRC to get it going).

 

It's not too far away now though.

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1545824 3-May-2016 10:00
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BigPipeNZ:

 

 

 

It's not too far away now though.

 

 

Now thats what we wanna hear! keep it up :)





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  Reply # 1545825 3-May-2016 10:04
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Thanks for the reply! I'll hold you to the "it is not far away" as I am like a dog, really looking forward to it :)





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TBH 90% of our traffic at our office is now IPv6 as we are using it for server access (MUCH simpler than IPv4 with NAT etc.) - doing a couple of TB a day... Same goes for my home usage on 2degrees now too...

 

Definitely a must have TBH








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  Reply # 1563409 1-Jun-2016 03:55
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I noticed I still had a very old (pre 2010) tunnel from Sixxs in a deactivated state of which I re-enabled and set up on my Edgerouter. Now I've got a VLAN available on my local network (and via a Wireless SSID) offering fast IPv6 which should tie me through until BigPipe offer IPv6. Since now my whole network has IPv6 connectivity (including servers) I've had to disable the check since this made the sad kittens / pug turn into happy ones prematurely. Pretty neat how Geekzone is now via the APE instead of Australia!

 

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I've also got 5 SSID's - getting close to what @bartender has...





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  Reply # 1563413 1-Jun-2016 05:32
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 Must admit @michaelmurfy, not sure why you switched from 2degrees -> bigpipe if they're the same cost and 2degrees offers IPv6.


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  Reply # 1563485 1-Jun-2016 09:22
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I've also got 5 SSID's

 

 

 

 

I'm trying to imagine why. Care to explain? I haven't followed @bartender's discussions on it.




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  Reply # 1563594 1-Jun-2016 12:17
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ripdog:

 

Must admit @michaelmurfy, not sure why you switched from 2degrees -> bigpipe if they're the same cost and 2degrees offers IPv6.

 

 

Customer support, and also 2degrees IPv6 was actually implemented quite badly and really buggy. Also it was $10 more expensive and they were trying to shove the Fritz!Box down my throat. There are many reasons going past the 2degrees name itself. I've also saved far more money due to referrals.

 

ghettomaster:

 

michaelmurfy:

 

I've also got 5 SSID's

 

 

I'm trying to imagine why. Care to explain? I haven't followed @bartender's discussions on it.

 

 

There doesn't need to be a reason why, but there are different networks running different things in a home lab type setup for playing around / learning.





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  Reply # 1568170 8-Jun-2016 19:38
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http://pages.bigpipe.co.nz/bigpipe-scheduled-maintenance-9-june-2016/

This link has a small mention of implementing IPv6

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  Reply # 1568175 8-Jun-2016 19:51
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Implementing IPv6 at at ISP in New Zealand requires (and this is not a complete list)

 

- Deciding on your end subscriber address space allocation, do you want to do /64's or /56's and should they be dynamic or sticky per customer?

 

- DNS, Firewalls, routers infrastructure that all fully support dual stacks

 

- Billing stack (yes even those that do unlimited probably want to keep an eye on per-subscriber usage)

 

- Provisioning systems updated to support static V6 allocation for those who want a Static Delegated Prefix

 

- Suitable hardware that you supply to the end customers that support IPv6. Do you plan to use PPPoE or DHCP and which variant of DHCP if you want to go down that path.

 

- Compliance with the government since you're an IPAP you need to make sure you can comply with any lawful request or Copyright infringement notice that comes your way.

 

- Upstream provider support for V6 since you need to get to the internet somehow.

 

- Service monitoring of the full stack to duplicate what you're currently doing for v4. What happens if you loose all your upstream peers or run out of address space in your DHCP pool is someone going to be alerted to that?

 

 

 

So anyone saying (and yes I am looking at you @michaelmurfy ) it's a flick of a switch is being somewhat disingenuous as it's not that simple.






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