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Topic # 242335 22-Oct-2018 19:36
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Has anyone managed to get Google WiFi working by connecting it straight to the fiber ONT? Or will I have to connect it to a separate router first?

 

This questions was asked a year ago but there was no conclusive answer.


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  Reply # 2112426 22-Oct-2018 20:02
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I cannot see how that would work. Presumably you have cat5 from ONT to your Router or are you doing something different. I have Google WIfi and I connected the first unit to my router and disabled Wifi in the router. The other two Googles I have around the house. Works sweet





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  Reply # 2112427 22-Oct-2018 20:05
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First Google wifi device is a router. Issue related to lack of vlan support. OP doesn't mention if vlan support required.


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  Reply # 2112430 22-Oct-2018 20:07
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As long as you've got a connection without VLAN.

BigPipe - No VLAN, PPPoE (any user/pass as long as not blank).

 

Should work...







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  Reply # 2112433 22-Oct-2018 20:13
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ronw:

 

I cannot see how that would work. Presumably you have cat5 from ONT to your Router or are you doing something different. I have Google WIfi and I connected the first unit to my router and disabled Wifi in the router. The other two Googles I have around the house. Works sweet

 

 

 

 

I haven't actually purchased Google WiFi yet. Just trying to figure out if it will work by using cat5/6 cables by setting it up as

 

ONT ---> Google WiFi unit

 

or if I have to go

 

ONT ---> Netcomm NF4V Router (possibly in bridge mode?) ---> Google WiFi unit

 

As I'd like to get rid of the router.

 

I've read that a recent firmware update sorted the PPPoE issues with Google WiFi and given BigPipe has VLAN disabled on fiber, if should work without needing the router in the middle.




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  Reply # 2112437 22-Oct-2018 20:18
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michaelmurfy:

 

As long as you've got a connection without VLAN.

 

 

 

 

How can I confirm this?

 

I'm currently on the UFB Elite plan with BP and using the NF4V Netcomm router. It was my understanding that VLAN is disabled by default with BP?

 

Apologies, I'm not a very expereinced network guy.


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  Reply # 2112438 22-Oct-2018 20:19
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But doesn't the router contain your ISP's proprietary software to handle the connection between them and you. I dont think the ONT can do that?





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  Reply # 2112447 22-Oct-2018 20:22
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As I stated, the first Google wifi device is a router - configured accordingly.




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  Reply # 2112448 22-Oct-2018 20:22
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ronw:

 

But doesn't the router contain your ISP's proprietary software to handle the connection between them and you. I dont think the ONT can do that?

 

 

 

 

No, there's no proprietary software. I coincidentally bought the NF4V router to use with fiber on BP before it was even officially supported. I just configured it myself with their settings.

 

It's my understanding that I could configure one of the Google WiFi units to be the router, with the same settings, while the other units would act as extenders.


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  Reply # 2112453 22-Oct-2018 20:27
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Your understanding is correct.




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  Reply # 2112457 22-Oct-2018 20:30
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Spyware:

 

As I stated the first Google wifi device is a router - configured accordingly.

 

 

Apologies, I didn't really understand what you were saying in your first post.

 

I get that one of the units acts as a router, and that on paper it should work fine, just asking if anyone can 100% confirm they got it working with BP, without needing a separate router in the middle. 


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  Reply # 2112459 22-Oct-2018 20:35
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If the theory says that you don't need the existing router then you don't, that simple. You don't need anyone to confirm anything more.


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  Reply # 2112460 22-Oct-2018 20:38
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But personally I’d go for the Ubiquiti AmpliFi over this for the sole reason of support.

By using the Google WiFi you’re limited to ISP’s that don’t VLAN. Also, it doesn’t appear that Google is actually adding features.

AmpliFi has both VLAN support and a very slick app. Also, don’t share anything with an ad company. They’re around the same price and I personally think the AmpliFi looks better. Performance is also top notch.






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  Reply # 2112500 22-Oct-2018 20:53
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Spyware:

 

If the theory says that you don't need the existing router then you don't, that simple. You don't need anyone to confirm anything more.

 

 

Well I'll respectfully disagree with that. Just because something works, doesn't mean it works well. Theory ≠ certainty. 

 

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As I mentioned above, I'm not a network guy and given that I read somewhere else that when one unit is configured with PPPoE, speed drops off. Confirmation for or against that would be great.




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  Reply # 2112501 22-Oct-2018 20:55
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michaelmurfy: But personally I’d go for the Ubiquiti AmpliFi over this for the sole reason of support.

By using the Google WiFi you’re limited to ISP’s that don’t VLAN. Also, it doesn’t appear that Google is actually adding features.

AmpliFi has both VLAN support and a very slick app. Also, don’t share anything with an ad company. They’re around the same price and I personally think the AmpliFi looks better. Performance is also top notch.

 

I only need 2 units and I'm getting them for $250 so I think that's good enough for the foreseeable future.


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  Reply # 2112548 22-Oct-2018 23:33
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FYI, I have Google Wifi connected directly to ONT on Bigpipe. It works, but I do not get gigabit speeds, generally around 500+ down, 200+ up.

 

Been meaning to post about it actually to see if anyone has been able to get the expected performance out of it, or whether it's best to keep the ISP router plugged into the ONT first.

 

(Note, I'm using ethernet, and I compared the speed with a direct connection from PC to ONT, which did give the expected gigabit speeds, ie 900+ down, 400+ up...)

 

 

 

 

 

 


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