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  Reply # 1221562 24-Jan-2015 20:26
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*shrug* I live a LCHF lifestyle and practice intermittent fasting regularly. It's working fine for me and my cholesterol and blood sugar levels are normal for the first time in 15 years. I am insulin resistant and after struggling for years to lose weight, it is finally starting to come off. The rest of my meals are perfectly nutritious and I manage to hit all my macros daily. Personally I fail to see how a carb-laden (and by that I mean wholegrains, fruit and dairy) breakfast is any healthier than this for me. :P Sorry, I don't want to go on a massive rant about keto but yeah, what works for some might not work for others.



Common sense should tell you that anything that reddit is the major source of knowledge on is probably not backed by a lot of science.  You could just have an egg for breakfast.  Or even bacon and eggs.  Funny thing is but many people know and have always known that you only need a big carb breakfast if you're going to perform a lot of manual labour.  And the thing about breakfast cereals is that they're the perfect marketing vehicle for all sorts of things, from sugar to the All Blacks. 



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  Reply # 1221726 25-Jan-2015 09:56
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Glassboy: Common sense should tell you that anything that reddit is the major source of knowledge on is probably not backed by a lot of science.  You could just have an egg for breakfast.  Or even bacon and eggs.  Funny thing is but many people know and have always known that you only need a big carb breakfast if you're going to perform a lot of manual labour.  And the thing about breakfast cereals is that they're the perfect marketing vehicle for all sorts of things, from sugar to the All Blacks. 


Common sense should tell you that doing a bit of research is probably a good idea before you make as many assumptions as you seem to have made in the above post. Just because Reddit was cited as a source does not make it the authority.




 
 
 
 


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Speaking of research, the stuff Bulletproof coffees originators are claiming as proof are tenuous (as expected).




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Glassboy: Common sense should tell you that anything that reddit is the major source of knowledge on is probably not backed by a lot of science.  You could just have an egg for breakfast.  Or even bacon and eggs.  Funny thing is but many people know and have always known that you only need a big carb breakfast if you're going to perform a lot of manual labour.  And the thing about breakfast cereals is that they're the perfect marketing vehicle for all sorts of things, from sugar to the All Blacks. 


Common sense should tell you that doing a bit of research is probably a good idea before you make as many assumptions as you seem to have made in the above post. Just because Reddit was cited as a source does not make it the authority.


Yeah there are these things called search engine, and there are even things called academic search engines where you can find actual research.  And there are things called grammar and logic and if you read what I wrote, parse the grammar, apply logic you should be able to work out that maybe I had, because duh that's what those words mean.  But then again if actually think that forcing your body into a starvation state where it burns fat to met an unrealistic ideal of beauty is a good idea, we can probably surmise that our ability to reason logically is compromised.

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Glassboy: Common sense should tell you that anything that reddit is the major source of knowledge on is probably not backed by a lot of science.  You could just have an egg for breakfast.  Or even bacon and eggs.  Funny thing is but many people know and have always known that you only need a big carb breakfast if you're going to perform a lot of manual labour.  And the thing about breakfast cereals is that they're the perfect marketing vehicle for all sorts of things, from sugar to the All Blacks. 


Common sense should tell you that doing a bit of research is probably a good idea before you make as many assumptions as you seem to have made in the above post. Just because Reddit was cited as a source does not make it the authority.


Yeah there are these things called search engine, and there are even things called academic search engines where you can find actual research.  And there are things called grammar and logic and if you read what I wrote, parse the grammar, apply logic you should be able to work out that maybe I had, because duh that's what those words mean.  But then again if actually think that forcing your body into a starvation state where it burns fat to met an unrealistic ideal of beauty is a good idea, we can probably surmise that our ability to reason logically is compromised.


I wonder to myself why so many of your posts are sarcastic and negative. Are you intending them to come across this way? Perhaps if you might consider an alternative way to get your message across, this way it's possible it may be more effective.


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  Reply # 1221947 25-Jan-2015 17:46
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networkn: I wonder to myself why so many of your posts are sarcastic and negative. Are you intending them to come across this way? Perhaps if you might consider an alternative way to get your message across, this way it's possible it may be more effective.


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  Reply # 1221978 25-Jan-2015 18:57
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NZtechfreak: Speaking of research, the stuff Bulletproof coffees originators are claiming as proof are tenuous (as expected).



good reading thanks Murray. I'm of the opinion that its is like other diet fads with good marketing but unless you have a whole health regime including exercise it won't work, having said that the mind will do what it wants so if it works for you go for it.


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NZtechfreak: Speaking of research, the stuff Bulletproof coffees originators are claiming as proof are tenuous (as expected).


That's the same link I posted the day before. And I still think it's the closest to the truth - a fad made up in silicon Valley so someone can push expensive coffee to the hipsters there.





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You do not starve your body at all. Typically, your body and cells process carbohydrates into glucose which is used as energy. The largest source of these carbohydrates in this age of food is in processed foods as sugars. These are the carbohydrates that are avoided on this diet - carbohydrates such as dietary fibre are not considered to be bad carbohydrates. By removing the bad carbohydrates from your system, your body starts producing ketones from your fat and protein stores to be used as an alternative energy source which is happily accepted. As such, while you need to carefully control your diet to include enough protein and energy through fats, you are in no way 'starving' yourself. 


So ... basically no.  

Your body can't break down every carbohydrate into glucose.  We're not something like a cow with three stomachs.  You can't even break down every sugar.

And yes there is a lot of sugar in processed food, but by bulk the largest amount of carbohydrates is highly refined starches.  And that's problematic because all of the fibre is removed, so it can be dried or frozen and still be visually appealing.

Your body doesn't store protein.  If you're burning protein you're burning muscle.

And I didn't say "starving" as in being very hungry in the common parlance.  I said "starvation state", i.e. when your body say "oh no I don't have enough food I better burn some fat".  How exactly do you think you start magically start burning fat?  Do you think you burn fat when your stomach thinks it's properly fed?

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networkn: 

I wonder to myself why so many of your posts are sarcastic and negative. Are you intending them to come across this way? Perhaps if you might consider an alternative way to get your message across, this way it's possible it may be more effective.



I've been using forums on the Internet since before the Great Renaming.  I'm pretty sure I understand how to get a message across without the contextual information that accompanies verbal communication.  That post was deliberately sarcastic because sarcasm was called for.  Maybe next time Demeter will take the time to actually parse what I wrote and not be condescending.

Rather than being "the lowest form of wit" sarcasm is actually a highly nuanced form of human communication.  A form of communication that AI researchers don't think they will be able to teach machine intelligences.  Being as sophisticated as it is, sarcasm works exceptionally well in textual form, and an individuals ability to recognise it and respond to it is highly informative.

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Are you starving yourself if you've had adequate energy, protein and nutrients and aren't hungry?

And 'properly fed' is completely subjective. 'Properly fed' is always changing, and is always different depending on who you hear it from. There's plenty of research emerging completely backtracking on what we "know" about fats and what foods we should and should not be eating.

To me this isn't a 'fad' diet, because when I did it, it forced me to stop eating crap food, I wasn't eating an hour after every single meal, I felt better, I felt more energised, and I lost weight - and have kept it off. (granted taking a break over holiday periods).

A bulletproof coffee diet, however, is a fad diet, as has been pointed out.


The human species has sciences and applied sciences like chemistry, biochemistry, zoology, botany, and medicine.  We as a species actually do understand what being properly fed is.  It's not subjective.  We can measure it even.  Next time you visit your doctor, ask.

 The "research" you talk about is not scientific research.  It's not robust, it's not repeatable, and it's not peer reviewed.  Robert Atkins didn't even base his diet on his own research.  Other fad diets have been based on "research papers" that mysteriously have never been published.  Even worse there are a large number of scams when it comes to publishing papers.  Don't trust me, here's a couple of wikipedia links, I'm guessing you think Wikipedia is all true, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_open_access_publishing  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Journal_of_Advanced_Computer_Technology.

It's great you lost weight, but why are you expecting me to be surprised that you lost weight because you stopped stuffing food?  Had you missed the correlation between putting food in?  Funnily enough that's the correlation studies of the Aitkins diet found.  People lost weight on it because they ate less, and they ate less crap.

Funnily enough I don't eat cereals for breakfast unless I'm going to perform a whole lot of manual labour.  Porridge for breakfast is great on the farm but when you have an office job it turns you into a fatty.  Weetbixs might have been all right  when you were at school, when you ran around with your friends playing games and had enforced sports.  Are you doing that as an adult?  Funnily enough not may people are.

Why don't you try bacon and eggs for breakfast with your coffee, I'm sure the weight will stay off.



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Glassboy: I've been using forums on the Internet since before the Great Renaming.  I'm pretty sure I understand how to get a message across without the contextual information that accompanies verbal communication.  That post was deliberately sarcastic because sarcasm was called for.  Maybe next time Demeter will take the time to actually parse what I wrote and not be condescending.


I wish this forum had an ignore button for people like you. I replied in exactly the same tone you used with me, yet I am the condescending one. Nice double standard you got there. I am fully aware that an egg and bacon for breakfast would be a better choice - who on earth actually needs to be told this? This post was started in the OFF TOPIC section because I wanted to discuss the coffee, not the associated fad diet, which is not what I follow. It is a breakfast replacement for me on days when I work an earlier shift and making a proper breakfast not an option. This doesn't mean that I am starving myself or eating an unbalanced diet. Quite the opposite.




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I wish this forum had an ignore button for people like you. I replied in exactly the same tone you used with me, yet I am the condescending one. Nice double standard you got there. I am fully aware that an egg and bacon for breakfast would be a better choice - who on earth actually needs to be told this? This post was started in the OFF TOPIC section because I wanted to discuss the coffee, not the associated fad diet, which is not what I follow. It is a breakfast replacement for me on days when I work an earlier shift and making a proper breakfast not an option. This doesn't mean that I am starving myself or eating an unbalanced diet. Quite the opposite.


With all due respect. You're not discussing "the coffee".  You are precisely discussing a fad diet.  You started this thread with


Stuff had an article a while back about Bulletproof Coffee which got me into researching it a little. To cut a long story short, my lifestyle and eating habits have changed and a part of that was having to try Bulletproof Coffee. Personally, after reading a lot of material I don't buy into the mycotoxin hype myself - I just use decent arabica which I enjoy, Mainland butter and virgin organic coconut oil into a Magic Bullet.


Did you say "coconut makes my coffee taste nicer", no you said "my eating habits have changed".  Eating habits is synonymous with diet.  Giving you the benefit of the doubt I googled "bulletproof coffee", I found a lot on the fad diet (and upgraded coffee scam), nothing about how it's a great tasting drink.

As to your other point as to "who needs to be told this".  Seriously?  Have you read what some people post in this forum?  Have you read the other posts in this thread?  There are people in this thread who have an understanding of science and human nutrition which is at a primary school level at best (but probably is culled from woman's magazines).  I asked my 12yo what he thought about being "well fed" and nutrition being subjective.  Funnily enough he knows about medicine and science.  He thought the claims were mad.  He also knows that men have a y chromosome and women have two x chromosomes.

If you want to talk about coffee, currently I'm drinking fair trade Ethiopian Yirgacheffe. I don't even but milk in it.  The though of putting coconut oil and butter is pretty much blasphemy.  I'm even seriously considering getting a separate burr grinder so I can have it more often.  Unfortunately there are too many milk drinkers around and I normally keep a blend in my grinder.





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Alright, I get it, the way I worded it was misleading. My eating habits changed last year around June (I posted in a thread about intermittent fasting about it) and I went keto. The problem with keto is that it is time-consuming and I am not the kind of person that wants to spend all weekend pre-preparing meals to have for breakfast when I am in a hurry. So when I saw the article about bulletproof coffee a few weeks ago, I checked into it and apparently a lot of keto'ers use BPC when they need a 'fat bomb' or if they don't have time to have a proper meal which is why I decided to have a go at it. 

So I concede that my wording could have been better. I wasn't exactly expecting to have to explain/justify my whole diet and lifestyle timeline. A few Americans I know put butter in their coffee for no other reason than they like the taste. It seemed really odd (and frankly disgusting) to me until I tried it. I totally get that anything other than water in coffee is a terrible sin for people who take their coffee seriously, like a lot of the Geekzoners seem to. I was genuinely just curious if anybody else had tried the stuff and if they liked the taste.

I'm guessing you won't be trying it. tongue-out




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I have not tried it, and with my reputation I'm not sure that I will (or admit to it if I do). But I'm all for seeing the rate of coffee consumption increase, so which ever wich way you have it, all good :)




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