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  # 1351572 25-Jul-2015 13:20
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I haven't been taking any sugar in tea and have stopped taking soft drinks. Was really happy until i read this thread. I thought I was almost sugar free but after reading this just picked up the "Health & Wellbeing" Up & Go Liquid breakfast on my desk which I have every morning and realized it has 2gms of Sugar :S That is almost 5 tablespoons...... Need to be a bit more careful from now.

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  # 1351581 25-Jul-2015 13:44
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and if you're happy to drink palm oil then go for it! all these milky liquidy stuff ...  = vegetable oil of sorts

including "soy milk" = aka sunflower oil




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  # 1351586 25-Jul-2015 13:54
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Next time in supermarket look at the sugar content of the fruit juice drinks, some of them get close to sugar content of soft drinks...

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  # 1352582 27-Jul-2015 14:30
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waqasmk: I haven't been taking any sugar in tea and have stopped taking soft drinks. Was really happy until i read this thread. I thought I was almost sugar free but after reading this just picked up the "Health & Wellbeing" Up & Go Liquid breakfast on my desk which I have every morning and realized it has 2gms of Sugar :S That is almost 5 tablespoons...... Need to be a bit more careful from now.


There is a "reduced sugar" version of "Up&Go" with 11.8g sugar per 250ml pack "1/3 less than regular Up&Go".  
= approx 3 level teaspoons.  
That's about 1/2 the WHO conditional revised guidelines for added sugar in an average diet...
But less than 1/10 average consumption.
It's not going to be easy...


joker97: and if you're happy to drink palm oil then go for it! all these milky liquidy stuff ...  = vegetable oil of sorts

including "soy milk" = aka sunflower oil


Is a product like "So Good" labelled as "Soy Milk"?  I'll look next time I'm at the supermarket.  If so, it's a little dishonest or disingenuous, Wikipedia might be a good gauge of "common use" description - and Soy Milk is clearly described there as something which "So Good" very clearly isn't.

In that case "So Good" oil content is sunflower/canola.  I'm surprised they don't use soybean oil, not that there may be any verifiable health/nutrition benefit, but it would seem to be a little more honest.,

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  # 1353182 28-Jul-2015 10:08
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Fred99: I'll look next time I'm at the supermarket.  If so, it's a little dishonest or disingenuous, Wikipedia might be a good gauge of "common use" description - and Soy Milk is clearly described there as something which "So Good" very clearly isn't.


I did look, and "So Good" of all varieties on the shelf does claim to be "soy milk" on the label.
The competing product on the shelf (Vitasoy) also a concoction of ingredients including sunflower oil - thus not "soy milk" either IMO, but claiming to use organic soy beans rather than soy protein isolate (which is what So Good contains). 

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  # 1353633 28-Jul-2015 18:32
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You may find that some Soy milk has added sugar. Its worth while checking out ingredients.  General rule of thumb, if its refined (in a packet) check it for added sugar (especially if labelled low fat), or if low sugar, check the fat content (and type).  







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  # 1356164 31-Jul-2015 16:36
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apparently this guy can be effortlessly faster than any other humans on the planet living on chicken nuggets and no sleep. if that's true, and he manages a proper pro athlete lifestyle, he could do it again in Rio. genes eh




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  # 1357156 2-Aug-2015 15:05
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If you got netflix you should watch a video called "Hungry for Change".

 

I am basically getting rid of most of my sugar intake. I think its very hard or close to impossible to completely eliminate it. However my idea is to eat real food. 

 

Mainly fruit and vegetables, animal protein, and avoiding things like canola oil and refined carbohydrates, yes this includes most forms of bread.

Its quite interesting because when i shop at the supermarket I tend to shop around the edge. (Fruit and Vegetables, then dairy and meats, eggs and whole grains). You dont really need a lot more than that. Your body doesnt need coke or diet coke for that matter, and juice which has a rediculous amount of sugar in it. I tend to drink just Tea, Water and a little bit of coffee (which I grind myself). I get a little bit of sugar from the milk intake, but I am on full fat blue milk which in my opinion is more like a natural milk than skim or trim milk. 

 

I find I still need carbs to keep me full, but I can get these from whole grain breads, vegetables like kumara and pumpkin. Proteins also help with keeping me full as well.

 

Still taking vitamins, A multi + magnesium, a vitamin c and sometimes i take extra chromium. 

 

I find the single best thing to do even if you are crap at dieting is drink more water. And replace novelty drinks you have with water.

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  # 1357359 2-Aug-2015 22:28
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Thanks for recommending fed up movie everyone. Just watched it, an eye opener for me. Will recommend it to everyone.

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  # 1357396 3-Aug-2015 01:24
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Cutting sugar is hard. I've tried. It's strongly addictive. Rat models suggest about as much as cocaine. 

Good luck to you.

Sugar is the food that everyone agrees is bad. Carbs might drive up your insulin insensitivity and glycation, but as you say fructose also taxes the liver. 

Apparently fatty liver cannot occur without fructose.




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  # 1357511 3-Aug-2015 09:01
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it's hard if it's free I admit. but if I have to pay $4 for a juice and 0c for water ... I'd opt for water :)

you don't have to cut 100%, no human can achieve that, nun or not. but reduce ... some people can reduce by 99.9%, some people can only do 1%. but I have a feeling education plays a big role.




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  # 1357538 3-Aug-2015 09:28
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joker97: it's hard if it's free I admit. but if I have to pay $4 for a juice and 0c for water ... I'd opt for water :)

you don't have to cut 100%, no human can achieve that, nun or not. but reduce ... some people can reduce by 99.9%, some people can only do 1%. but I have a feeling education plays a big role.


So if elimination sounds too daunting, remember that any reduction of sugar intake will be good for you. Some really simple easy wins:

--  the easiest is cut out all soft drinks and fruit juices. Learn to enjoy water, with the added benefit that it is free. Buy a soda stream - plain old water infused with bubbles is actually very nice.

--  Don't add sugar to anything - you don't need sugar in coffee, on top of your breakfast.  Over time your taste buds will adapt. First, cut out refined sugar - once you have been successful, think about extending to include things like sauces - eg, tomato sauce and sweet chilli - both around 30% sugar. Friday night fish and chips doesn't need to be smothered in sauce.

--  try to eliminate processed foods. If you can't, read the labels in the supermarket and choose foods with the lowest sugar content. Use the content per 100 ml on the label for comparing products as there can be great variation between similar foods - remember that each 4 grams = one teaspoon.

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  # 1357542 3-Aug-2015 09:34
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afe66: Next time in supermarket look at the sugar content of the fruit juice drinks, some of them get close to sugar content of soft drinks...

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Watch the acidity levels also.  There are so many foods considered healthy and normal in the NZ diet that are just crazy really. 
Anything that is fat free is typically just full of sugar, or full of simple carbs that will be converted into sugar very quickly.

That whole weight watchers fad from the '70s and '80s has really sunk into our culture. 
Cereal/muesli bars and orange juice etc is not necessarily a healthy breakfast.
It will give you energy quickly, but with nothing slow release to sustain you over time.

'Ironman food' is great if you're going to be doing ironman exertion in the next 3 hours.
If you're going to sit on your as$ on a bus to work and then in front of a computer screen, you don't need ironman food...

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  # 1357544 3-Aug-2015 09:35
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I went sugar free , I became aware that the reason I was hitting was to get a sugar high , so I went cold turkey, with considerable difficulty . I had a  while previously  attended one of those vipassana courses where they teach you to observe the sensations that arise in the body corresponding to desires  of the body/mind .....so I just observed the mess of it all and came out the other end .

One of the pleasant and unexpected  results that happen was about two weeks after" I kicked the habit" ,was weight loss, my pot guts went and my body just stabilized to normal .

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  # 1357564 3-Aug-2015 10:00
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Jaxson:
Anything that is fat free is typically just full of sugar, or full of simple carbs that will be converted into sugar very quickly.


There's a distinction there between sugar (sucrose) which cleaves into glucose and fructose at 50:50 ratio, and starches which are broken down in our gut to simple sugars, mainly glucose, but not fructose.
So part of the obesity "issue" is to do with overall calorie intake, so "empty carbs" from starch can contribute to excess calorific intake and weight gain, but the way our body metabolises fructose and the impact on homeostasis (self-regulating mechanism for insulin metabolism, hunger/satiation etc) is the main issue here for which there is now a lot of concern.  Even with balanced carb intake, WHO advise that % of total calorific intake from sugar (sucrose) should be no more than 10% (and preferably only 5%) of total dietary calories.  Achieving that (5% especially) in a typical "western diet" is damned near impossible - unless a determined conscious effort is made.

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