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  Reply # 1396621 29-Sep-2015 14:19
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SepticSceptic:
MikeAqua:
- Dry roast and grind species to taste (or buy a ras el hanout mix),
 


What species do you recommend ?
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Vegetarians :) 

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  Reply # 1396640 29-Sep-2015 14:40
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SepticSceptic:
MikeAqua:
- Dry roast and grind species to taste (or buy a ras el hanout mix),
 

What species do you recommend ?
foot-in-mouth

Vegetarians :) 

Not a distinct species.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1396674 29-Sep-2015 15:38
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MikeAqua: I have an elevated hereditary risk of bowel cancer, but my specialist has advised me eating moderate quantities of non-processed red meat makes absolutely no difference to my risk. 

His opinion (based on some quite rigorous UK research) is that it's about fibre intake.  High red meat intake is strongly associated with low fibre intake, and that is the real risk.  He also considers processed meats containing nitrites and other additives to be a risk.

One can also eat smart as an omnivore ...

Fish is awesome.  We try to eat fish three times per week.  Oily fish like salmon and sardines (EPA &  DHA) protect from heart disease, improve cognitive function, and maybe help mental health, while protecting against bowel disease.

Porridge protects from both heart disease (oat-beta-glucans) and bowel disease (fibre).


Rikkitic: I am not vegetarian for health reasons (I just don't like meat) but every bit of scientific evidence on the subject says I will live a lot longer than you and also have a less horrible death. Enjoy it while you can. Bowel cancer and heart disease are racing each other to do you in.



Whatever you eat, it is about moderation and common sense. I am sure a little meat, however red, won't do any harm (except to the animal). I was replying to a troll, so wasn't concerned about nuance.





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  Reply # 1396675 29-Sep-2015 15:39
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networkn:
SepticSceptic:
MikeAqua:
- Dry roast and grind species to taste (or buy a ras el hanout mix),
 

What species do you recommend ?
foot-in-mouth

Vegetarians :) 

Not a distinct species.


Maybe not a distinct species, but still a superior one... Einstein, Gandhi, Hit... (oops, will stop right there...)

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  Reply # 1396684 29-Sep-2015 15:54
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MikeAqua: Is dairy vegetarian?

Milk contains animal cells (i.e. meat).


Ah, semantics. For those who take it seriously, there are dozens of categories of vegetarians. For outsiders, there are usually just one or two. For me it is usually easier to describe myself as a vegetarian than as someone who just doesn't eat meat. It is a label most people have at least a vague understanding of. Vegans would agree with you, and would also condemn leather shoes and other goods, as well as any other product made from animals, whether it harms them or not. Veganism is a moral stance. Vegetarians have a whole range of motives, and the kind of vegetarian one is depends on those. I don't like hurting animals, but I'm not so rigid about it that I won't eat dairy. Others would find this abhorrent. Some prefer vegetables for health reasons, others (like me) get queasy about meat because they just don't like it and cannot get the pictures of slaughterhouses out of their heads. Some cannot comprehend how people can love some animals and eat others, even of the same species. And on and on and on. Do you eat dog? There was a huge scandal about a Samoan (I think) gentleman who chucked one onto his barbie. He couldn't understand the fuss and there would not have been one if he had used a sheep instead. So what's the difference? It is just cultural prejudice. I can't stand the thought of eating any animal that is not still an egg, but I do not condemn those who do. I think they are wrong, but that's just my opinion.
 




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  Reply # 1396727 29-Sep-2015 17:15
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Rikkitic: I'm trying to think of things carnivores might enjoy. That is why I cook with meat substitutes since I am the only vegetarian in my circle. Another item that seems to satisfy meat cravings for a lot of people is mushrooms, the big portobello gourmet variety. You can do a lot with them but just chopping them up and frying them as part of a meal also works. 


I'm additive free, so try and avoid the substitutes - the trick with cooking is to learn to develop flavour profiles - at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what the food is, so long as it tastes good.

I am wondering if it is possible to make beetroot shortbread at the moment. 




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  Reply # 1396997 30-Sep-2015 00:38
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I don't mind vegetarians I actually have some good friends who are vegetarians (and the banter we have is quite fun) , although I do get tired of the slightly righteous attitude that seems to come across from some people.... I even got told once by a vegetarian that they were more 'evolved' than me, because they didn't eat meat.

I had to point out that the human race only survived the last ice age because of eating meat, had we all been vegetarians there would be no human race at all right now.
When I do get the 'holier than thou' attitude, I have a couple of thoughts to reply with:

* Millions of animals are bred for their meat.... if nobody ate them, they wouldn't have been bred, so eat meat and give an animal a chance to be born.
* No animal farmed for it's meat has ever gone extinct.... so, be a conservationist, farm and eat endangered species.
* Don't tell me that meat causes bowel cancer while you sit there with your liver cancer causing glass of wine in hand.
* and finally for good measure..... my food craps on your food.

Have a nice day :-)

PS: Quote from a friend of mine who tried being a vegetarian for a couple of months......"Why am I doing this? Because apparently vegetarians live longer....................unfortunately" - He gave it away not long after that.


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  Reply # 1397072 30-Sep-2015 09:04
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You have people, and then you have other people. Vegetarians who radiate moral superiority do not do so because they are vegetarians; they do so because they are dicks. They would do the same thing regardless of the cause they attached it to.

Most vegetarians, like most other people, just quietly get on with their lives. As it happens, everyone in my life is a carnivore. That is not a problem for them, and it is not a problem for me. It is people respecting each other's choices.

As for your food crapping on ours, our food gets the free nutritional benefits from the pre-processing work done by your food. Everyone wins.





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  Reply # 1397075 30-Sep-2015 09:07
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UncleArthur: ...
* and finally for good measure..... my food craps on your food.

Have a nice day :-)



Thanks, Uncle A, for reducing this thread to yet another cr@p on vegetarians session, despite the OP's request it stays away from this. Feel free to go start another thread in this vein, but there's no need to pollute this one with your justifications for your dietary choice...

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  Reply # 1397219 30-Sep-2015 11:13
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Rikkitic: 

Whatever you eat, it is about moderation and common sense. 



One man's moderation can be starvation or gluttony to another.

I'm deeply suspicious that one of the "issues" with nutrition and health is that certain foods trigger feedback reward mechanisms which can easily override any "common sense" self-moderation of diet.
In any case, trying to make sense of the massive amount of conflicting information out there, then relating that to one's own diet is nigh on impossible. 

As far as vegetarianism goes with regard to cardiovascular health, then India has low level of meat consumption (~ <5% of most western countries) yet high incidence of CVD.  Masai and (pre-western diet) Inuit consumed almost nothing but animal product, yet CVD was almost unknown.
I blame sugar (sucrose/fructose) as the most dangerous of foods we consume "in moderation".  It's the most likely candidate to explain many paradoxes correlating diet to health, including why vegetarian diets eliminating previously accepted risk factors (saturated fats, natural trans fats etc) don't seem to show the benefits hoped for.  Eliminating animal protein yet maintaining calorific intake by consuming the balance of the (non-animal protein and fat) diet, would automatically increase fructose intake as % of overall calories.
My gut feeling is that a healthy vegetarian diet must include a lot of fatty foods, nuts etc, not rely on starch and particularly high sugar fruits and veges to maintain calorific intake. I'd also suggest Vitamin D supplement in a vegetarian diet - particularly if whole fish is excluded.



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  Reply # 1397221 30-Sep-2015 11:15
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UncleArthur: I don't mind vegetarians I actually have some good friends who are vegetarians (and the banter we have is quite fun) , although I do get tired of the slightly righteous attitude that seems to come across from some people.... I even got told once by a vegetarian that they were more 'evolved' than me, because they didn't eat meat.

I had to point out that the human race only survived the last ice age because of eating meat, had we all been vegetarians there would be no human race at all right now.
When I do get the 'holier than thou' attitude, I have a couple of thoughts to reply with:

* Millions of animals are bred for their meat.... if nobody ate them, they wouldn't have been bred, so eat meat and give an animal a chance to be born.
* No animal farmed for it's meat has ever gone extinct.... so, be a conservationist, farm and eat endangered species.
* Don't tell me that meat causes bowel cancer while you sit there with your liver cancer causing glass of wine in hand.
* and finally for good measure..... my food craps on your food.

Have a nice day :-)

PS: Quote from a friend of mine who tried being a vegetarian for a couple of months......"Why am I doing this? Because apparently vegetarians live longer....................unfortunately" - He gave it away not long after that.



Not a single vegetarian recipe!? 

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  Reply # 1397414 30-Sep-2015 15:52
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I love my meat, but am trying to cut down on the frequency and portion size of my read meat intake.  So red meat once or twice a week, chicken a fish a couple of times a week, and vegetarian meals once or twice a week.

My favourite vegetarian recipe is a pie my wife makes which is like a layer of spanakopita (spinach and feta - cheese is not meat, right?) then a layer of tomato cooked with chili, topped with pine nuts, all inside a flat (like a strudel) pastry case.  It's not a meal in itself - we usually serve it with long beans and small Dutch carrots.  There's quite a few different flavours going on, which keeps it interesting.  If anyone's interested I'm happy to post the full recipe (when i get home and look in the book!). 



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  Reply # 1397425 30-Sep-2015 16:26
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andrew027: I love my meat, but am trying to cut down on the frequency and portion size of my read meat intake.  So red meat once or twice a week, chicken a fish a couple of times a week, and vegetarian meals once or twice a week.

My favourite vegetarian recipe is a pie my wife makes which is like a layer of spanakopita (spinach and feta - cheese is not meat, right?) then a layer of tomato cooked with chili, topped with pine nuts, all inside a flat (like a strudel) pastry case.  It's not a meal in itself - we usually serve it with long beans and small Dutch carrots.  There's quite a few different flavours going on, which keeps it interesting.  If anyone's interested I'm happy to post the full recipe (when i get home and look in the book!). 


Yes please. 

We are the same as you, trying to reduce our red meat intake. I simply don't think life would be worth living (for me) if I couldn't have red meat, but I am eating more fish these days (Hawkes Bay Seafood FTW). I am keen to get 1 Vegetarian Meal and 1 Lunch a week, increasing to 2 times a week. 

We are aiming for 1-2 Red meat Dinners and 2 lunches a week.

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networkn:
andrew027: My favourite vegetarian recipe is a pie my wife makes which is like a layer of spanakopita (spinach and feta - cheese is not meat, right?) then a layer of tomato cooked with chili, topped with pine nuts, all inside a flat (like a strudel) pastry case.  It's not a meal in itself - we usually serve it with long beans and small Dutch carrots.  There's quite a few different flavours going on, which keeps it interesting.

Yes please. 

I just remembered I was going to post the vegetarian pie recipe...  Here it is (click on the image for the full sized version):
Click to see full size

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  Reply # 1399134 2-Oct-2015 21:49
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Yum. Thanks.





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